Help to ID 1964-65 Muncie 4 speed

[Ralph Spears]

There is no VIN but main case is casting # 3851325 Tag on side cover#3780800 is it close or wide ratio

[Jimlt4383]

Originally Posted by Ralph Spears

There is no VIN but main case is casting # 3851325 Tag on side cover#3780800 is it close or wide ratio

Ralph,1 ring on the input shift is close 2.20 ratio. 2 rings is wide 2.56 ratio. No rings is m22 on the Muncie factory input shafts.

[MarcDant]

I have a 64 input shaft with 24 teeth with no rings (wide ratio) , the tag that was removed from same tranny that reads 3841435 if i remember correctly was a 3.36 rear ratio. Maybe some one can confirm .

[jeffschevelle]

The 3780 beginning part number does not make sense for a 64 or 65 Muncie trans. 3780 correlates to part numbers originally issued in about 1960 or 1961. Numbers of course can continue to be used for years, but since Muncie's did not first exist until 1963 that would not be the case here. For example, the part number listed in the AIM for a 1964 Chevelle Muncie (wide ratio) is 3841435.

So the tag probably does not go with that trans.

You can at least narrow down the maincase to being original to either a 64 or a 65 trans. 64 maincases have a smaller rounded casting boss on the top rear center of the case (where it is drilled and tapped for the hole for the top center tail housing bolt). 65's have a much larger rectangular boss which looks like 66 and later cases.

[John Brown]

Originally Posted by Jimlt4383

Ralph,1 ring on the input shift is close 2.20 ratio. 2 rings is wide 2.56 ratio. No rings is m22 on the Muncie factory input shafts.

Early Muncies don't follow the same rules as later ones do. I also had a wide ratio 2.56 (325 case) with no grooves on the input.

[Jimlt4383]

Originally Posted by John Brown

Early Muncies don't follow the same rules as later ones do. I also had a wide ratio 2.56 (325 case) with no grooves on the input.

Thanks, do you know when they started using the rings?

[Jimlt4383]

Looks like 63 through 65 had no groove on the m20 and 1 groove on the m21. I did not know that.

[crash]

Originally Posted by jeffschevelle

The 3780 beginning part number does not make sense for a 64 or 65 Muncie trans. 3780 correlates to part numbers originally issued in about 1960 or 1961. Numbers of course can continue to be used for years, but since Muncie's did not first exist until 1963 that would not be the case here. For example, the part number listed in the AIM for a 1964 Chevelle Muncie (wide ratio) is 3841435.

So the tag probably does not go with that trans.

You can at least narrow down the maincase to being original to either a 64 or a 65 trans. 64 maincases have a smaller rounded casting boss on the top rear center of the case (where it is drilled and tapped for the hole for the top center tail housing bolt). 65's have a much larger rectangular boss which looks like 66 and later cases.

The rounded casting boss change over was the middle of Dec. of 1964, well into 1965 production.
I have found several articles stating what Jeff posted, but I check over 100 325 cases and could not find a rectangular boss until late Dec. of the 1964 calendar year, which is 1965 production year

Hope this helps... Crash

[Ralph Spears]

I found out it is a wide ratio

[TAR6569]

Ralph, is the date code stamped in the 64 location by where the side cover mounts? Also, is there a partial vin starting with a T stamped on the edge of the tailhousing where it mounts to mid plate?