WOW! The Find of a Lifetime! 1963 SD 421 Tempest!

[tjs44]

FYI,I helped line up the original frontend and a original SD transaxle for it today so with Tiemanns help it WILL be what it once was.Im sure the mags will pick it up and the project will be great to watch.Tom

[69hurstSC]

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FYI,I helped line up the original frontend and a original SD transaxle for it today so with Tiemanns help it WILL be what it once was.Im sure the mags will pick it up and the project will be great to watch.Tom

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sorry, no original motor (which is practically impossible)the car wont be perfect.

[mockingbird812]

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FYI,I helped line up the original frontend and a original SD transaxle for it today so with Tiemanns help it WILL be what it once was.Im sure the mags will pick it up and the project will be great to watch.Tom

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sorry, no original motor (which is practically impossible)the car wont be perfect.

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original motor in a S/S or AFX car is nearly unheard of. If it does have an original motor it wasn't run hard and didn't win many races or it was restamped . Also, these early cars did not have partial VINS like the late 60's cars so there is no definitive way to determine originality in most cases. Non-original motors in this stratospheric realm does not hurt the car at all (imho) This car was bot right and will bring a ton when and if it resurfaces on the market (again imho)

[Bill Pritchard]

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Non-original motors in this stratospheric realm does not hurt the car at all (imho)

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I agree 110%....especially when the car is as well documented as this one obviously is!

And kudos to Tom for already helping to line up the ultra-rare parts that this car needs

[69hurstSC]

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FYI,I helped line up the original frontend and a original SD transaxle for it today so with Tiemanns help it WILL be what it once was.Im sure the mags will pick it up and the project will be great to watch.Tom

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sorry, no original motor (which is practically impossible)the car wont be perfect.

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original motor in a S/S or AFX car is nearly unheard of. If it does have an original motor it wasn't run hard and didn't win many races or it was restamped . Also, these early cars did not have partial VINS like the late 60's cars so there is no definitive way to determine originality in most cases. Non-original motors in this stratospheric realm does not hurt the car at all (imho) This car was bot right and will bring a ton when and if it resurfaces on the market (again imho)

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but you have to agree that if the original motor (which is rumored to exist) ends up with the factory body the price value WILL go up. this is common sense.

[JIM]

I am confusd Now will the restoration include returning it to as built spec's or leave it as raced. Isn't it worth more and more well known as a drag car as it was the fastest car in 63????????????

Jim

[Paul D]

This is amazing.....ya gotta love the PHS documentation and the great work of Pete McCarthy and his incredible book on the factory race Pontiac Super Duties.

I probably have this story a little wrong, so the Pontiac guys can chime in, but didn't one of these Tempest SD Coupes win the Daytona 200 mile Race of Champions, and maybe lap the second place car?? Then as the story goes, it was bought by Mercedes (or Porshe?), taken to Germany and reverse engineered, never to appear again??

[Jeff H]

This should be a really cool project to see restored. But I keep thinking that it doesn't look that much like a factory built race car. Is there really that much of the original car missing? Was there a roll bar in the car back in the racing days? Obviously the VIN will prove what car it is, but is looks like a very basic car the way it sits now. Did somebody swap a ton of parts over to the body and repaint it back in the day? Can't wait to watch this one. Great find!

[John Brown]

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This is amazing.....ya gotta love the PHS documentation and the great work of Pete McCarthy and his incredible book on the factory race Pontiac Super Duties.

I probably have this story a little wrong, so the Pontiac guys can chime in, but didn't one of these Tempest SD Coupes win the Daytona 200 mile Race of Champions, and maybe lap the second place car?? Then as the story goes, it was bought by Mercedes (or Porshe?), taken to Germany and reverse engineered, never to appear again??

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That's the story in the Angeles / McCarthy book. It shows the Paul Goldsmith driven / Ray Nichels prepared "Daytona" LeMans as "dissapeared". Gotta extend the search to include Germany now.

[Tenney]

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I am confusd Now will the restoration include returning it to as built spec's or leave it as raced. Isn't it worth more and more well known as a drag car as it was the fastest car in 63????????????

Jim

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The look on Tiemann's mug might be worth something
... otherwise go as-built all day long - transaxle's a pretty key ingredient.