Barrett Jackson Las Vegas

[PeteLeathersac]

Thanks fellas,

- I hadn't seen the pics but thought that's what I'd read and wanted to clarify after reading SSJunkie's posting above stating the opposite..

Sad situation but certainly nothing new..
If legally pursued, this could be a great example for all to see those involved swing for their dirty deeds...


~ Pete

[The Dude]

All tags were removed, along with the hidden cowl VIN. Heater box VIN was not removed. The picture showed the removed parts along with the keys, an emblem, and all paperwork.

[RamAirDave]

Pic is still up at TC:

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showpo...p;postcount=27

[chevelleheart]

I realy hope we get final answers on the camaro, I realize there's reputations , pride,and possibly legal issues to dealt with, but this is really a huge problem for the hobby. The amount of homework required, and ability to look at a car, know what your looking for,Rebody's,Block Stamps,hidden vin's,.....and then throw in the ability to look at paperwork and determine what is forged,and what's real, you almost need an Art expert and carbon dating tools !! It really is a shame, because almost every car i look at I start from point of view that it's a clone / rebody / restamped car and work back from there ( Guilty until proven innocent).I know on Friday you could still see pics of the tags,paperwork the guy had sold on Ebay, but it's no longer available, or at least i can't seem to find it.

[TDW]

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Pic is still up at TC:

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showpost.php?

p=1086590&postcount=27

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Yep...That's the pictures I am talking about. The VIN plate is under the Trim Tag. You can see it pretty good if you make the picture bigger.

[Keith Tedford]

The picture seems to be gone too.

[x Baldwin Motion]

this thread won't last long either
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=4432.45

neither will this one..
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showth...863&page=5


what a mess!!!
the original thread that was down for editing now looks like a transcript of the watergate tapes!!!!

[njsteve]

I would make an educated guess that someone reminded the alleged Gary guy that selling a VIN tag is a federal felony. Therefore his posts are (were) the only visible crime committed, complete with his admission, evidence of photos and old ebay auction information. That is probably why he isn't talking now and has had his posts deleted.

Oh, and yes, buying a VIN tag is also a federal felony, as is installing it on a body it didn't come on originally.

If you, as the new "owner" of the VIN tag have a shop install on another bodyshell for you, that adds another count of Conspiracy as well, and the shop people that install it are added to the indictment list.

The buyer is essentially an innocent victim if the car turns out to be a VIN-swapped rebody. The auction house has no liability based on their boilerplate contract with buyers/sellers. So the buyer would have to sue the seller in a civil action and try and get his $$$ back and he would have to bring in the alleged Gary guy to testify as to his selling of the VIN tag which would be difficult since he can claim his 5th ammendment right against self-incrimination.

Sounds fun doesn't it?

Now I know why I went to law school all those years ago...just so I could figure out what goes on at carshow/auctions.

[chevelleheart]

Great explanation Steve !!!

[njsteve]

No problem.

To any considering going to law school, my explanation above is an example of how to answer a criminal law final exam question...a whole lot of issue spotting with no actual answer to the question asked.