THE LAST??? 1967 Z-28

[FESTIVAL78]

Cool car.
Chevy body numbers are all that matter.. Vins are Federally mandated and mean nothing with regards to which car came first,
" The moment of conception is when life begins "

[firstgenaddict]

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Cool car.
Chevy body numbers are all that matter.. Vins are Federally mandated and mean nothing with regards to which car came first,
" The moment of conception is when life begins "

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So if someone is born early they are not older, because they were conceived later?

That is the whole point with this... yes his car was started later... however it was finished earlier (PERIOD). It is an earlier car.

[William]

Nope.

VINs were sequentially assigned, monitored at the car plants by the FBI. When Chevrolet reported month-end production totals by vehicle it was by VIN and they are always in ascending order.

Body number or tag date is not always directly related to when a specific car was built. The CRG db has numerous examples of cars built out of tag date sequence. The particular time frame that this thread began with, 1967 Camaros built early July 1967 is like no other. There are 06E cars mixed in with 07A cars; there are 07C cars with 07B cars. The last Camaro built may have been 07B.

Once again and for the last time the body tag meant nothing to Chevrolet. It was for Fisher body build info only. Chevrolet scheduled car production, not Fisher body.

[iluv69s]

Well, there seemes to be a difference of opinions here...I did not intend to start anything or ruffle any feathers...so I am going to stick with what I definitely know after hearing these posts.........

but hell...I may still have it wrong...hahaha

...This car seems to be the only 'known' 07C 67 Z-28 in existence,

...it is the latest and 'last' known 'assembly dated' 67 Z-28 known...

....it was apparently the 'last' known 67 Z body shell to leave the fisher body side of the Norwood plant...

..and therefore, of the known 67 Z-28's, this car has the youngest and "last" body shell built...period


I guess it depends on what the meaning of the word 'car' is..

for example:
someone steals and then strips my 67 Z-28 and leaves it laying on the side of the road with nothing but the shell and cowl tag...the VIN and all parts have been removed...is it a 'car'?? ..does the car actually exist???...or not until I recover the car from the police and put it all back together and gets the State police to re-vin the car does it exist???

...regardless of this car...I have bought and sold many 'cars' that did not have much more than a shell...

...anyhowwww....it's been fun...I've killed 5 bags of popcorn...Thanks guys!!!

[quick-bowtie]

Who cares?? I dont think anyones knows the exact answers to this stuff and most of its guessing or assuming anyways, either way it wouldnt effect the value of this car.

Good luck with the sale, it seems like a good price to me and that would be a fun car to own when its done.. heck you should just restore it yourself look at the blue Z that had a smokey motor put in it and wanted Insane money!

[70 copo]

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70 COPO I do not know what your problem is and will have no further response to your asinine ramblings.

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William,

I was simply trying to find a basis for your comments which seem to be your mostly your opinion. No need to get nasty about things. IMO...Festival 78 is 100% correct. The assembly of a car clearly started with the body build at Fisher and that is where the production date is-right on the trim tag along with the option content in 1967.



Happy Easter!

[William]

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...This car seems to be the only 'known' 07C 67 Z-28 in existence,

Possibly

...it is the latest and 'last' known 'assembly dated' 67 Z-28 known...

Nope. The car with the later VIN was built AFTER your car.

....it was apparently the 'last' known 67 Z body shell to leave the fisher body side of the Norwood plant...

Nope. See above.

Everyone thinks that the body tag was immediately attached to a body. It wasn't. It remained in queue, probably in a vinyl bag with the rest of the paperwork until Chevrolet instructed Fisher Body to start production of that specific dealer order. The 07B Z/28 was held up for some reason, started and built AFTER the 07C Z/28.

I have several pages of Canadian import sheets for 1967 Camaros in VIN and production date order. N249411 was built 7/11/67, N250546 was built 7/12/67, N252244 was built 7/14/67, N253319 was built 7/18/67 and on. The higher the VIN the later the date. The last 07B tag in our db [very close to the end] has a VIN 421 #s higher the first 07C tag. But some of you believe the 07C car was built first. Absolute nonsense.

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[Kurt S]

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70 COPO I do not know what your problem is and will have no further response to your asinine ramblings.

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William,

I was simply trying to find a basis for your comments which seem to be your mostly your opinion. No need to get nasty about things. IMO...Festival 78 is 100% correct. The assembly of a car clearly started with the body build at Fisher and that is where the production date is-right on the trim tag along with the option content in 1967.



Happy Easter!

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Please start another thread and we can discuss it. If you start it on the CRG forum, JohnZ will also respond.
But the summation is - the assembly process did not change from 67 to 69. They built cars the exact same way for years until they integrated the body shop into the assembly process under GMAD.

Nice car Max, good luck!

[70 copo]

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....it was apparently the 'last' known 67 Z body shell to leave the fisher body side of the Norwood plant...

Nope. See above.

Everyone thinks that the body tag was immediately attached to a body. It wasn't. It remained in queue, probably in a vinyl bag with the rest of the paperwork until Chevrolet instructed Fisher Body to start production of that specific dealer order.

But some of you believe the 07C car was built first. Absolute nonsense.

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William

I streamlined your last reply a bit so I could respond. You are incorrect. The tag was on the car, and paper was already generated even before the roof was attached. The last time I got into a discussion on this issue at two years ago with another guy on this very topic, the guy at that time had the same story that the "tag was delayed Body build up was delayed, tag not attached and that no Paper was generated on the body until the body reached the Chevrolet side". I concluded that discussion by producing the following Photograph which I took from another photo on my kitchen counter. The Glare from my kitchen light is clear on this photo that was stored on my hard drive.

Somehow this same photo was lifted and made it to the CRG technical article. As you can see the Tag was on the car even before the roof was on it and the car had already production Paper Work already.

Cars were built in order at Fisher. How in the world could GM track them any other way? This build order was the Body Number.

Cars were also built in sequence at Chevrolet Final assembly also bu VIN#. The scattering of the VIN's was a product of Downline parts availability and the staging lines where the cars were held prior to VIN assignment and computer lock for final assembly at chevrolet.

This explains why the VIN's appear to be out of sequence compared to the body build up.

Hey Kurt--If you guys at the CRG need a better copy of the photo I posted 2 years ago the last time this topic was raised (and then used by the GRG for its article) - let me know and I will send you a better one without glare from my kitchen light.

Phil

[Steve Shauger]

Hi Phil,

Did you provide that photo and a couple of others in the mid nineties to the USCC. I seem to remember that picture in their Camaro Enthustiast magazine.