1969 RS/Z Black 45k miles Original Paint

[firstgenaddict]

The DZ is real. It is a non VIN stamped block that happens to be the correct dates for the car. If you are calling it a clone engine then your MP engine is a Clone as well... which by the way I do not consider your MP a clone engine... but the car is definatly a clone with a real drive train...

[69LM1]

OK, Point taken if it's a real DZ engine. Maybe clone was too harsh. I retract that statement.

BUT, you gotta admit, the blue Z with the original engine can always be made better. This car can never be original again (unless the original engine/tranny were found). AGAIN, not saying that this car sucks, in fact it is very nice. And black? how often can you buy an original tuxedo black 69 camaro?

Just sayin'......

Of course, who am I? Not much. I claim to be no expert, just thinking out loud here and I probably should but out, which I think I will do now........

Rich

[DarrenX33]

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So, I guess yea, what's a ZL1 without the engine? Same as a 6 banger.

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This is an amazing statement.

[Charley Lillard]

Exactly.....

[69LM1]

Hey, I'm an amazing guy!

[enio45]

If anyone has a real ZL1 vin car without the engine - call me now please!!

[COPO_Anders]

How did an engine with a DZ-stamp find it´s way out to the public without a partial VIN on it ? Wouldn´t a replacement engine be CE-stamped ?

Just wondering.

[Hylton]

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How did an engine with a DZ-stamp find it´s way out to the public without a partial VIN on it ? Wouldn´t a replacement engine be CE-stamped ?

Just wondering.

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There have been quite a few cars documented without VIN numbers stamped into the blocks and/or transmissions. I guess the worker either forgot or could not be bothered.

[69LM1]

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How did an engine with a DZ-stamp find it´s way out to the public without a partial VIN on it ? Wouldn´t a replacement engine be CE-stamped ?

Just wondering.

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There have been quite a few cars documented without VIN numbers stamped into the blocks and/or transmissions. I guess the worker either forgot or could not be bothered.

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OK, so what's the scoop. Prior post said that this was not the original "DZ", but the ad above is confusing, in that it specifically states the tranny as not original "born with" but later camaro VIN. Does not mention the engine either way.

"Engine Recently rebuilt
DZ 302 (V0409DZ) no VIN stamp on pad or oil filter boss
618 Casting
Cast April 7th 1969
Build date April 9th
Bored .020 & honed with torque plates
ARP Main Studs"

"M21-Muncie Close Ratio Trans (has a M20 from a later Vin 69 Camaro in it)"

From this post https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/show.../page/1#204077

"44,900 miles,
Original Engine missing ,
X33 04C car."

[Steve Shauger]

I believe the third post from the original thread discloses the fact that the orig engine is missing. If I remember correctly they also were up front about finding a correctly dated original DZ. In fact pics of the stamping was posted prior to the purchase of the engine to confirm its originality. Think of this car having its brothers engine in it. Can't get much closer than that.

Certainly the for sale ad could have been clearer, but for the record James and William were up front with anyone who talked with them at the camaro nationals.