Repro Pontiac round port/Oldsmobile W30 cyl heads

[RM Schimel]

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As more and more perfect clones appear, the prices for the authentics will go down,



Huh ?????????? If anything all the cloning has made the authentic cars even more valuable. Just because there are numerous replicas available of Leonardo Da Vinci’s painting of Mona Lisa (I guess I’m to believe that the original is worthless). I think it might be time for a bit of a reality check stealthbird and ho455. The cloning of both the W-30 and LS-6 rags especially has made the authentic cars invaluable. Because of the smaller & smaller crop of true documented 30s and LS-6 cars that exist today we have seen the prices skyrocket as of late. When I flew into Illinois for the fall Mecum auction, the one LS-6 vert that was offered had bids of over 400K and the reserve was still on. P. Klute paid 400K at recent auction for black/tan 1970 RAIV 1970 Judge vert. The current HMM GTO Judge vert cover car would pull even more. The only fully documented W-30 rag I have seen recently for sale was sold during the Olds club Nats. It was an original 1970 red /black four speed car. It looked like it came out of the grave and was in need of a complete resto but still sold for 360K. There have been other 30 rags w/4spds in perfect condition with docs that have sold for a whole lot more coin. LS-6, W-30 and RAIV Judge coupes with documentation routinely sell for above six figures. So if the market is softening for authentics, I sure haven’t seen it!!!

[agtw31]

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It was an original 1970 red /black four speed car. It looked like it came out of the grave and was in need of a complete resto but still sold for 360K.

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sounds like somebody had a ton of money to hide from Uncle Sam.

[Canuck]

The car shown at the Olds nats had been listed on ebay. The owner pulled the listing and displayed the car at the Olds Nats. He then took the car home to Chicago.
The highest price I know of for a 1970 W-30 Rag with 4 speed is $225,000.
If anyone know of a higher recent sale,let me know.

[HO455]

RM Schimel

I agree that there have been private sales of Oldsmobile 442 W-30 convertibles and LS-6 Chevelles with ironclad pedigrees for large amounts. If you look at my earlier post we are on agreement on this subject. But where I am having a big problem is when unscrupulous people knowingly set out to make a car something it is not with the sole intent to defraud another person. That is why I am upset with all these reproduction Oldsmobile parts such as D, F and H cylinder heads, as it will make the ability to create super accurate clone W-30s that much easier to make.

[olredalert]

------I think that red W-car was the one discovered in Port Huron,Mi. I heard about it fairly early on and was offered the car for 65 Gs. I had no idea of 70 W30 4spd vert values (I guess I do now) and said I wanted a day to think about it. The day time period was agreed to but not honored and the seller sold it for app. $80,000. Matter of fact the day period was not honored by about 22 hours as I called back in two hours to buy it and it was sold. To say I no longer do trust that seller would be a humungous understatement. By the way,,,It was missing only the original tires, battery, and a hose or two,,,,thats it!!!!!!.........Bill S

[supcarbob]

I see a few people mentioned 'transmission tags'. Has anyone moticed on ebay that the 'Parts Place' has several codes available?I think it's great that the'Parts Place' has taken on reproductions of parts the other suppliers won't take the chance on.

[HO455]

Here we go again. I guess if you can't beat them you might as well join them!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-CUTL...emZ230189987583

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-OLDS...emZ230190485936

[w302nv]

I cant really see why everyone has their panties in a bunch over these heads. If they are anything like the intakes, W27 covers, red inner wells, OAI, or hoods, you can spot them from a mile away....so you have to work a little harder to make sure you dont get screwed....what else is new! Nothing anyone can do about it....heck you might be better off and learn new things in the process...(Im not usually a glass half full kinda guy...).
So has anyone with a respectable amount of Olds/W-Machine knowledge actually touched these things? What about date codes? Its very unlikely that these will be perfect knock offs.
Just like vintage guitars...there are people reproducing mega rare parts (see 1959 Les Pauls) and making a tidy sum doing so....that has done nothing to the value of the real things.......except maybe help inflate the values....I'm not so sure this does anything to make it tougher to authenticate a W-Machine.