A different Point of View ....

[nuch_ss396]

[quote..... Our founding fathers were not stupid.

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Correct - But they also weren't liberals either

[427TJ]

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[quote..... Our founding fathers were not stupid.

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Correct - But they also weren't liberals either

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Oh sure they were. Just not the modern type that scares the sh-it out of the opposite fringe. They were liberals, conservatives, and anyone else who shared a common goal to create a free and strong country full of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They were also all well-to-do white male land-owners who basically thought alike so it was an elite club. Things have sometimes gone awry since then but the foundation they laid has endured almost exactly the way they intended it to. Almost.

[Kim_Howie]

Are founding Fathers were all liberals they fought the Brits. to start this country!!!

[tom406]

First off, a thank you to Bill/427TJ. I kind of urged him to share his opinion in this thread, and I got busy and let him do all the heavy lifting. I always enjoy his well thought out posts and appreciate him taking the time to type them out.

As I stated during the run up to the war, the events of 9/11 were mostly separate from Iraq. As Bill pointed out, there are many other examples of more brutal leaders around the world, and none of them were as well contained as Saddam. This was a war of choice, brought about by a mixture of post 9/11 vengence, wounded pride by some neo-cons who felt the Gulf war was an unfinished job rather than a tactical decision, and a desire to really have control of an oil-rich part of the middle East. Not a simple grab for a bunch of barrels, but a misguided dream to think that we could just end up with our own little private Texas in the middle of a region we cannot control and resent having to try and manage. I believe this war was lost before it ever started, but even if it wasn't, come on, the administration had no real political or media opposition from 9/11 thru Cindy Sheehan. If it was winnable, they had the time and materials to do it. The management of the war was as flawed as the justification of it, so no "win" is attainable. Why keep sending soldiers and money into the hole? Support our troops-YES- demand that they be given a good plan and the tools and numbers to carry it out. That didn't happen in Iraq.

TOM

[rare1]

Three blokes - a Canadian farmer, Osama bin Laden and an
Aussie engineer - were working together when they come across a lantern .
One of them rubbed it and a Genie popped out. "I will give each of you one
wish," said the Genie.
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> > The Canadian said, "I am a farmer, and my son will also farm.
I want the land to be forever fertile in Canada."
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> > POOOOFF! In the blink of the Genie's eye, the land in Canada
was forever fertile for farming.
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> > Osama bin Laden was amazed, so he said, "I want a high wall
around Afghanistan, Israel, Palestine, Iraq and Iran so that no infidels,
Americans or Australians can come into our precious lands."
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> > POOOFF! Again, with the blink of the Genie's eye, there was a
huge wall around those countries.
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> > The Aussie engineer said, "I 'm curious. Tell me more about
this wall."
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> > The Genie explained, "Well, it's about 5,000 feet high, 500
feet thick and completely surrounds the countries. Nothing can get in or
out - it's virtually impenetrable."
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> > The Aussie cracked open a beer, smiled and said, "My wish -
fill it with water."

[Supergas990]

That's GREAT!!! I'll have that beer now.

Blair

[ANDY M]

The other version of that joke goes like this:
The Canadian asks the genie for a great job and a stable marriage. Done.
The Aussie asks the genie for a large harem of beautiful women to satisfy his every whim and fancy. Done
Bin Laden, hearing this, smiles and thinks this over. After a minute or two, he finally makes up his mind and tells the genie, "That sounds like a pretty good idea, except I would like to be white, and completely surrounded by exotic Arab women.
So the genie turned him into a tampon.

[427TJ]

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So the genie turned him into a tampon.

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LMFAO!!!

[Kim_Howie]

POOF WORLD PEACE

[Mr70]

We"ll need snacks too....POOF!