#CE L88 427BBC long block value

[TimG]

How many legitimate, documented CE block cars are out there in reality? Probably very few. Where do the exceptions stop?
Do you think that if there was an exception made for a CE block that CE blocks would be forged? I certainly do. This seems logical since they use the "master pad library" to help verify the legitimacy of an engine and a CE block would have really no reference. It would be easier to stamp a CE block with a number than to stamp the VIN and assembly derivative on the pad. Cars are judged to a standard of "as delivered from the factory" not as delivered from the dealer or as delivered after warranty work from the dealer. CE blocks are not as delivered from the factory.
By the way, Corvette guys do have a problem with restamped motors. They are a fact of life, but if you buy a car professed to be an unstamped block and it turns out to be one, that's a problem in my book. If you know going in that it's a restamped block, then that's fine. It may have a problem in judging, though.
I personally like the system the way it is, I'd have no problem buying a nice car with a CE block and even having it judged. I'd accept the points penalty while having it judged at NCRS or at Bloomington and live with the result. I'd rather the present system not be diluted. As much as I love Baldwin/Motion cars, bring one for judging and see what happens.
Your CE block could have ended up in a boat just as well as a Corvette. Yes, a correct casting number and correct casting date Impala 427 would be well received for judging in a Corvette I think that would be neat and I could live with that.

[427king]

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Yes, a correct casting number and correct casting date Impala 427 would be well received for judging in a Corvette I think that would be neat and I could live with that.


[/ QUOTE ] While there may not always be proof a CE motor came in a specific car, an Impala 427 has no chance of ever being installed in a corvette. The problem is people will bring the ncrs whatever it is that they desire. I personally know of two local guys ,one had a double stamped vin on his one owner 64 300HP car, the other had a 63 corvette where the vin on the engine and trans were one character off. BOTH guys took those original parts out of thier cars and restamped what the ncrs said was acceptable . Thats the ridiculous part.

[Xplantdad]

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Yes, a correct casting number and correct casting date Impala 427 would be well received for judging in a Corvette I think that would be neat and I could live with that.


[/ QUOTE ] While there may not always be proof a CE motor came in a specific car, an Impala 427 has no chance of ever being installed in a corvette. The problem is people will bring the ncrs whatever it is that they desire. I personally know of two local guys ,one had a double stamped vin on his one owner 64 300HP car, the other had a 63 corvette where the vin on the engine and trans were one character off. BOTH guys took those original parts out of thier cars and restamped what the ncrs said was acceptable . Thats the ridiculous part.

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This is why I am so glad that I enjoy driving my Chevelle...and that I don't worry about the trivial stuff...LOL

[TimG]

The NCRS group that I’ve been a member of for nearly 20 years would never recommend or encourage anyone to destroy a valuable and original piece of history to make it conform to a judging manual. I’ve judged and had judged many cars and it’s just not the case. I’ve presented for judging cars with extremely low miles and amazing originality that have factory anomalies. Sometimes I’ve been docked points, sometimes not.
My 1965 16,000 mile 250 horse powerglide coupe built three days before the end of production had lots of strange things including a severely ground pad. The engine was, I believe, originally destined for a manual transmission car, but was ground and stamped for an automatic. The carburetor was coded for a manual transmission and I wouldn’t change it because it was the original dated unit. The penalty was 12 points and the judges told me not to change it as they felt it was original. I gladly took the hit. The engine passed with flying colors and is used in Al Grennings “strange but true” seminar. I’d recommend attending his seminar to see what NCRS will view as acceptable and reasonable. They are truly a great organization and a knowledgeable group of supportive people. I brought a very late 1968 Corvette for judging and it has a 1969 “pebble” type housing around the center gauges. Certainly not correct, but I wouldn’t change it. I later verified its originality by looking at an original owner ’68 Survivor that was a few cars earlier with the same “pebble” housing. I was glad I didn’t change it.

P.S. Both of the cars you noted would fly through Flight Judging with a 25 point deduction for the stamping items.
That's the same deduction that they would receive if a cigarette lighter didn't work. I don't think that validates the cost of restamping a motor.

[Unreal]

Just out of curiosity, why is "any old POP book" OK?

[TimG]

The judging manual just calls for the contents of the glove box to include delivery items including the plastic pouch, owners manual, jacking instructions, radio instructions, Warranty Plate and any other items that may be year specific. Since most folks don't have their original Warranty Plate, a repop or one from another car will work with no point deduction. You can even use the booklet with no metal card in it. Their pretty easy going on this. They just don't like it when you borrow it from your friends car that was just judged.

[L34Pace]

Is this a CE restamp?

[rpoz11]

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Is this a CE restamp?

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it looks nothing like mine!