Black LS6 4sp Barn Find "Need Advice"

[3macs1]

Sweet for sure.
I think her pedals are worn too much so she is not real. Truth is her pedals are so worn because her miles were 1/4 at a time.
Papers, look at her and close your eyes then open them and you are back in the mid 70's. Anyone that had one of these cars back then will know where I am coming from. I got goose bumps looking at these pictures. That engine compartment was mine as well as most of the real deal ls-6's back then.Suprise many of todays trailor queens looked like this also in the day.She was a true road warrior driven the way she was made to. PS removed, headers installed,intake and carb replaced, dist, accel super coil, Holly fuel pump reg and pump in rear,mr gasket two piece wing nuts, moroso solid mounts.Where is the line lock and moroso cool can???
Radio taken out to save weight and to stop you from busting your hand when it slid off the shifter, which was the first thing you changed. Original shifter boot and ring however to remain.
Look at the side tail pipes like we all had for quick removal at the strip.
Boy if she could talk the stories she could tell. She is worth restoring for that alone.
Will she bring 125K probally not without papers regardless of the fact she is more real than many of the so called documented ones.Will you lose on her with 65 to 70 invested never especially if you totally document her restoration.
Her sister sits about 25 miles from me also black m22 bench.I thought it was long gone but found it in just the last year. It has been sitting 25 years.If it comes up for sale papers or not I will have it since I am not into them for the investment.Break even is fine.
Good Luck but I would not sit on this now that the word is out

[TXSS]

Thanks for the comments.

The VIN is easily readable even on my back with one eye closed holding a flash light in my mouth.

I think the chances of this car being in this condition and being a re-stamp or a created LS6 is remote at best. There's no speedo cable so in my mind mileage on the OD is irrelevant. If I'm reading the clutch peddle pad correctly (as shown in the picture) and I may not be as I'm new at clutch peddle pad reading it looks to me to be as worn-out as the rest of the car. I guess that's a good thing.

The car is going nowhere as I have locked up right of first refusal. My interest in the car is very high maybe too high. When I feel like this about a car I sometimes, ok always pay to much. I've been contacted by a number of members expressing an interest in the car. However, I'm not trying to sell a car I don't own, I'm trying to buy a car I don't own. I'll worry about selling/restoring later. The seller is not a car guy but suffers from a slight case of barrettjacksonitis. So, what's it worth.

Thanks

[Mr70]

A Black LS-6 similarly equipped but with a TH400 just sold for 80K a few weeks ago.Down from it's higher asking price,but fully restored w/Buildsheet,docs & photo history.
I know of a M-22 similarly equipped restored twin to yours that can be bought for 95K,with no takers right this very moment.

If you are looking for possible pedigree,besides the buildsheet,I'd aim for that rear axle tube suffix if the rear looks authentic to you and was never out.That Top hose,shroud,cover & tank say 4:10 to me,which spells solid liftered engine only.
I would also do a past owner search,especially if it's from your neck of the woods as it would be most convenient for you then for anyone else farther away.
If none of what I just mentioned pans out,I really don't think you will be as upside down on the car as you think when done,judging by the quality of work you've done in the past.

[P.J.]

Personaly after just restoring my 70 L78 that I have owned for 25 years I can honestly say that I would never spend the 8 months full time on restoring a car without documents.
Remember if its a a hobby your looking for to restore a car
and spend all that time and lots of money, then in my humble opinion by a project with documents,documents,documents.

PJ

[Rainer]

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A Black LS-6 similarly equipped but with a TH400 just sold for 80K a few weeks ago.Down from it's higher asking price,but fully restored w/Buildsheet,docs & photo history.
I know of a M-22 similarly equipped restored twin to yours that can be bought for 95K,with no takers right this very moment.


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That's interesting. Is the LS6 market in a state of flux right now? A member here just bought one off of ebay that needs a resto for just under $70K. Rick - you said that was a fair price.

[Rainer]

Just looked back at B-J auction results for Scottsdale 2007. Several LS6 cars supposedly with matching numbers and paperwork sold in the $80k-$100K range. On Sat a 22K mile original brought $132K.

[Mr70]

My reply was really based on the quality of work TXSS has done on his past vehicles.I think he would be ahead of the game..
As others have stated,this does not really look like a clone or misrepresented LS-6 to me either.
I have seen documented cars with fly by night poor restos bring low dollars,and non documented cars with a high degree of attention to detail & quality bring much higher dollars.
I guess this equation really begins with how much money does it take for this LS-6 to be bought from it's current owner?

[3macs1]

Yes Sir you are bang on. Purchase price with this one is everything.No docs could help in that area eapecially if you find them later on.Paying a fee up front and finding them will make a huge impact I would say on the original purchase price unless that can be nailed down prior to looking.Big gamble but looking at her the odds of the interior being out before, tank down etc are in your favor I would say to find a sheet but one never knows.

[TXSS]

Thanks Rick and thanks for all the input. I agree that purchase price is/would have been the key. However, Bad news. There appears to be some question as too current ownership of the car. In fact I have been informed in no uncertain terms that because I put the car on this site I can get Fu%&ed. Long story, but better to find out now than later. That's one of major benefits of the site, it shakes out all the skeletons. I've learned a lot from the comments posted on this thread and that is a good thing. Thanks again for the comments but I'm done.

[Verne_Frantz]

RIck,
I believe your "documentation" lies in the condition the car is in now. If someone restamped a VIN, the car would not look like it does now. It would at least be partially restored (or "fixed up"). Originality is the best documentation you can have. I'd rather spend money on a restored car with no docs but plenty of "as found" photos than one with docs and no photos of it before restoration. One could create fake docs, but no one could create that car out of thin air in the condition it's in presently. Some parts may have been swapped 20 years ago, but it wasn't done for deception. The history of the car speaks for itself.
Just my view...
Verne