Pittsburgh Convention Center Floor Collapse!

[farone]

THE WHOLE PLACE COULD FALL IN AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED.... AFTER THE WORLD OF WHEELS SHOW A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I DON'T CARE IF I EVER GO BACK THERE AGAIN.... IT'S NOT WORTH THE EFFORT OF GETTING A CAR THERE IN THE WINTER WEATHER, JUST TO WATCH THE PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL WITH THE WOW CIRCUIT, TAKE ALL OF THE BIG AWARDS.... THE PROMOTERS OF THE SHOW, SIT THERE AT THE AWARDS, BEGGING FOR SUGGESTIONS OF HOW TO GET LOCAL PARTICIPATION, AND SAY TO LET THEM KNOW IN PERSON, OR BY PHONE, ANY SUGGESTIONS, OR COMMENTS... WHEN YOU APPROACH THEM, THEY TELL YOU TO WRITE A LETTER !!! WE HAD SEVEN CARS IN OUR DISPLAY, AND ONLY ONE JUDGED, BUT IT WASN'T A CAR THAT TRAVELED WITH WOW, SO IT GOT KICKED ASIDE TO KEEP THE TRAVELLERS HAPPY. THEY WANT THE LOCAL'S SUPPORT WITHOUT HAVING TO RECOGNIZE THEM. I HONESTLY THINK THAT'S WHY THERE IS LESS AND LESS LOCAL SUPPORT. THEY JUST DON'T CARE TO SEE THE KIND OF WORK THAT WE DO.... IF WE WERE SLICKING FIREWALLS, CUSTOMIZING INTERIORS, CHROMING ENGINES, INSTALLING AIR RIDE, AND 24" WHEELS, MAYBE THEY MAY GIVE A SECOND LOOK. MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST DESTROY SOME OF THESE RARE CARS WITH SOME OF THIS NONSENSE. JUST MY OPINION

[SmallHurst]

Another reason I won't show in our local (KC) WoW show. When I first moved to KC, the show was in the American Royal building complex. Poor lights, and very dusty (You can never clean up all of the hay and litter from the American Royal and the B&B circus!) For the past few years, it has been at Bartel Hall (where we have our 'Auto Show') but it is moving back to the pit of the American Royal this year. I was nervous when I had to leave my car open over night. Now, it just won't happen.

[ORIGLS6]

I tend to agree Frank but unfortunately cars that we care for don't draw the big gate crowds that these promoters look for. That's what makes shows like VetteFest and our own SCR so special to us. I quit attending shows like WoW quite a few years back. Although I respect the variety of vehicles these shows attract..... they just aren't my kind of stuff.

Just another humble midwest opinion; "The Pro-Street, Pro-Touring, Bling-Bling, Whatever-comes-next movement all have their days, but a correctly restored car will always be in demand somewhere!"

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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...Just another humble midwest opinion; "The Pro-Street, Pro-Touring, Bling-Bling, Whatever-comes-next movement all have their days, but a correctly restored car will always be in demand somewhere!"

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... 'cept at WoW I wanted to go to the P-burgh show only because of it's proximity to Canonsburg. We were hoping some folks would walk by who had seen/bought/driven deuces back in the day. We weren't lucky this year. We were wondering what happened to the Canonsburg show, wouldn't mind going there if the show is still on.

[Z-11 396]

"The Pro-Street, Pro-Touring, Bling-Bling, Whatever-comes-next movement all have their days, but a correctly restored car will always be in demand somewhere!"

[/ QUOTE ].......I AGREE,....... BUT NO MATTER. {{{ VERY LITTLE }}}//// *** ATTENTION :+++ ....IS EVERY GIVEN THE POOR <<<< CORVAIR >>>> IT'S *** REAL LONELY *** AT '' SHOW'S '' I DO... ...KASEY

[bashton]

First off; WOW, am I ever glad this didn't happen when our show (or any other show for that matter) was going on.

I am very sorry to hear that the sYc group did not recieve the respect you have all earned. I know you had a good experience last year, and even took home some great awards. So what happened this year?

I have not been directly involved in the Pittsburg show for the past two years, but when I was, I truly enjoyed working with the Ulanowicz family and I know they were very committed to putting on a great show.

Help me out here....what happened this year?

With any luck, I would like to return to this show and you know if I get involved, the sYc will get the repect you all deserve.

Once again, on behalf of Championship Auto Shows, Inc. please accepy my apologies.

BA

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Can you help us understand the procedure for judging - ie; do circuit cars get a head start? Is it a complimentary 1st place in order to ensure they get the money award to offset their travel costs? How does the second place car win 2x the amount of 1st place detail awards (interior, engine, paint...) but then not win 1st place overall? It's just confusing, and when questioned, those in charge duck the questions by telling people to write a letter! This show can't be a traveling circuit - and - a local show.

From the turnout of cars at the P-burgh WoW show, it's not just these 7 owners who have had enough with it. When they have a new tri-axle dump truck in there to take up space - that should be a really big warning sign. (it wasn't customized either, unless the excavator/owner's name counts!).

I liked the museum tour that Benjamin and I went to, all about P-burgh sports and history.

[Z-11 396]

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Can you help us understand the procedure for judging - ie; do circuit cars get a head start? Is it a complimentary 1st place in order to ensure they get the money award to offset their travel costs? How does the second place car win 2x the amount of 1st place detail awards (interior, engine, paint...) but then not win 1st place overall? It's just confusing, and when questioned, those in charge duck the questions by telling people to write a letter! This show can't be a traveling circuit - and - a local show.
+++ MARLIN +++ I HAVE HEARD THE SAME COMPLAINTS IN PART'S OF MY COUNTRY.. TN. GA. ALA. AT THE ''WOW'' SHOWS, THE GUY'S AROUND HERE DON'T GO, IT'S A SHAME THAT THIS CAN'T BE CORRECTED .. AND "" WOW "" ////TREATMENT //// OF PEOPLE, SUCKS !!!!!!..........KASEY

[Xplantdad]

Knowing Bob Ashton, the ball is already rolling to see what the heck happened...

And I'm sure that if he has anything to do with those shows mentioned...he will "get it right"!

[bashton]

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Can you help us understand the procedure for judging - ie; do circuit cars get a head start? Is it a complimentary 1st place in order to ensure they get the money award to offset their travel costs? How does the second place car win 2x the amount of 1st place detail awards (interior, engine, paint...) but then not win 1st place overall? It's just confusing, and when questioned, those in charge duck the questions by telling people to write a letter! This show can't be a traveling circuit - and - a local show.

From the turnout of cars at the P-burgh WoW show, it's not just these 7 owners who have had enough with it. When they have a new tri-axle dump truck in there to take up space - that should be a really big warning sign. (it wasn't customized either, unless the excavator/owner's name counts!).

I liked the museum tour that Benjamin and I went to, all about P-burgh sports and history.

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Absolutely. I spent 8 years as an ISCA Judge and was directly involved in Judging at the Detroit and Grand Rapids Autorama's along with several other shows.

First off, there is absolutely no rule, written or otherwise giving preferance to "Circuit" cars. What happens is that those who are involved on a regular basis showing the "ISCA Way" know how to play the game and they adjust accordingly in order to win the cash, as you mentioned with your friend who showed his GTO.

As far as staff ducking questions, did you talk to Show Chairman Bob Ulanowicz or Co-Chairman Sean Ulanowicz? Not trying to make excuses, but I know these guys and it is not their style to blow anyone off or tell someone to write a letter.

The ISCA Judging procedure clearly is not set up to accommodate properly restored cars. In fact, a car that is truly restored to as born status would not do well at all on the ISCA circuit. Cars with factory "flaws", as in orange peel or low gloss in paint, runs, etc and everything else that truly represents the way they really were, would mean lost points. Since the basis for the judging is cleanliness and attention to detail, restoring a car to true "as born" status would obviously go against what the ISCA rulebook calls for.

Since it is virtually impossible to put together a judging staff that would be truly knowledgable in all of the potential makes shown, this is how the ISCA judges all vehicles. Indexed bolts, ultra shiny (as in far better then ever left the factory) paint, lack of factory undercoating etc etc would be pluses under ISCA judging. Obviously, this is not the case with properly restored cars and any type of concours or similiar judging procedures.

As far as the Tri-Axle Dump truck...hmmm, since I didnt see it, I am not sure what was up with that. The Pittsburg show has always been a good show for us and when I was there several years ago, a great show.

Sorry to highjack this thread and as always, in the interest of having a long lasting career in this field, I am always open to comments good or bad, as I strive to improve our shows, whether I am physically there or not. There is no future for my job if we don't have shows to produce!

It is indeed a dufferant way of judging and as I often say, not for everyone. I personally feel there is a bit too much subjectivity, I mean, maybe you like red and I like purple...so which one is better?

Thanks/BA