Volo museum honest?

[Rainer]

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Very illuminating discussion. But, this just gets my goat. I have watched Volo for years and have been entertained by their collection of sharp looking cars. I have never dealt with them, but will give a dealer the benefit of the doubt if I have no reason to distrust. I do, however, trust the input of the folks on this forum who HAVE done business with them. The ad for this car walks a very fine line with carefully chosen words and phrases. In a court of law they would probably hold up. To the unsuspecting or uninitiated someone may think they are getting an original engine...

YOU WANT MATCHING NUMBERS, THIS CAR HAS THEM.

I personally do not care for this type of rhetoric now knowing that the original engine is not in the car.

Knowing the above info I would not be comfortable doing business with these folks. They may be "learning", but it is at the expense of customer's hard earned wages. When will they learn that this will only come back to bite them?

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This is not a case of wordsmithing - the car is being represented as having a numbers-matching engine. If you click on the link for the 200 photos they have pics of the front engine pad, which clearly shows the last 6 digits of the car's VIN. However, 69motion noted that the original motor was long gone when he sold it.

So, this 1970 Chevelle SS454 LS6 vin# 136370A130493 is a real LS6 car that now has a fake, restamped, numbers-matching engine that was installed as part of the restoration. Can there be a more clear case of fraud?

[69motion]

rainer you are correct im with u 100 percent

[Hylton]

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This is not a case of wordsmithing - the car is being represented as having a numbers-matching engine. If you click on the link for the 200 photos they have pics of the front engine pad, which clearly shows the last 6 digits of the car's VIN. However, 69motion noted that the original motor was long gone when he sold it.

So, this 1970 Chevelle SS454 LS6 vin# 136370A130493 is a real LS6 car that now has a fake, restamped, numbers-matching engine that was installed as part of the restoration. Can there be a more clear case of fraud?

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How can we sit back and watch someone lose 50k+ when you know something about a certain car? Kudos to Jeff for coming forward and stating that the car did not have it's original engine when he sold it. Potential buyers are now more educated for it. If someone is still willing to buy it, that's their decision but at least they know the truth before spending hard earned bucks. It is sites like this which will ultimately be responsible for keeping sellers in check and being honest.

The reason that some of these dealers have been getting away with stuff in the past is because people who knew the truth about certain cars, kept their mouths shut because they figured "Hey, not my business".

Fraud is everyone's business.......

[kwhizz]

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This is not a case of wordsmithing - the car is being represented as having a numbers-matching engine. If you click on the link for the 200 photos they have pics of the front engine pad, which clearly shows the last 6 digits of the car's VIN. However, 69motion noted that the original motor was long gone when he sold it.

So, this 1970 Chevelle SS454 LS6 vin# 136370A130493 is a real LS6 car that now has a fake, restamped, numbers-matching engine that was installed as part of the restoration. Can there be a more clear case of fraud?

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How can we sit back and watch someone lose 50k+ when you know something about a certain car? Kudos to Jeff for coming forward and stating that the car did not have it's original engine when he sold it. Potential buyers are now more educated for it. If someone is still willing to buy it, that's their decision but at least they know the truth before spending hard earned bucks. It is sites like this which will ultimately be responsible for keeping sellers in check and being honest.

The reason that some of these dealers have been getting away with stuff in the past is because people who knew the truth about certain cars, kept their mouths shut because they figured "Hey, not my business".

Fraud is everyone's business.......

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What he "Said"

Ken

[x Baldwin Motion]

http://www.volocars.com/showroom/showroo...ce=&eprice=
aparently, weeks after being notified, they are still claiming a "numbers matching" car on their website.
"numbers matching" used to mean something (original equipment). They should reword the add to state the facts, not disguise them. One will only assume they are playing these games with ALL the cars they sell. I'll buy elsewhere.

IMHO -Chris

look up counterfeit, insincere, forged, in dictionary.

[chevelleheart]

I Have so much respect for guys that tell you right up front when a car has a NOM and don't play the game. In Fact it's not a game anymore as so much $$$ is involved. Actually like X Baldwin Motion said, "look up Counterfeit, insincere, forged" also FRAUD would be another word.There are more number matching BB 69 and 70 Chevy's running around now then there were in Janaury 1st of 1972 !!!Everybody on this site that knows for a fact that original engines, drivetrains etc are long gone should pipe up when they see fraud going on. Hopefully as one other member siad on the discussion on ZL #66 , people don't "dis" cars cause they missed getting them themselves or just plain old sour grapes. But in my opinion this is a very valuable website and any and all knowledge about these cars is and should be appreciated, although some people may not want to hear the truth???

[jannes_z-28]

This car has ended up over here, came in here in May this year.

It looks very good and has only 380 miles on the odometer, that would probably be since the restoration.

I took some pictures of it this week for an article.

[black69]

I have no issue with volocars. They generally just remarket what a consigner gives them to work with. You own a car, and tell them its numbers matching, I think they will market that way. I don't think they own the cars they are selling on ebay.

To me, numbers matching does not mean original engine. Buyer beware. Needs definite research to confirm original or not.

They have a very cool once a year deal, where they let folks market and sell their car, for free, on a saturday. I bought my 67 hemi gtx from a private owner there too, at that venue. I give them a lot of credit for hosting something like this (for free).

I give them a thumbs up, but you have to do your own homework with a personal inspection, with any car as expensive as that LS6 chevelle. I don't regard the owners as guys to authenticate cars. I bet they did not own that chevelle.