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i think if i were a dealer "in the know", like MK, i would probably order a spread of maybe 5 copo cars, say 353000, 353001, 353002, 353003, 353004 and 353005. i would equip each car a little differently, by so doing i would cover my bases for appeal to different individuals. my bias as a dealer may show up in some of the cars, such as a highly optioned copo rs, although in the end i would want to make a return on my investment. i believe that most dealers at the time enjoyed their business and had loyalty toward their car marque. jmo
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The dealers didn't specify the desired body numbers when ordering cars, so the dealer would not know (or care) whether they ordered/received sequential body numbered cars. I'm sure it could happen, but I've seen a bunch of cars ordered by the same dealer and have a couple thousand body numbers between them. The best way to document this car is to chase down the prior owners, because the blocks of copo camaro numbers are not as defined as they are for the copo novas - making it difficult to conclude when a body is/is not a copo.
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Marlin 70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride) 69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride) 67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride) |
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Would Jim Mattison be able to shed more light on this subject?
He is bringing his L-88 Corvette to race at SCR9 in a few weeks. |
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owner history, nicb report, original documentation and certification all conbine to create great provenance for a copo car.
i understand that chevrolet assigned the body numbers when the cars were accepted into the system for build. many copo camaros ordered at the same time by the same dealer had sequential body numbers. i am sure there may be exceptions to the rule, i suppose that in the end you have to be comfortable with the cars history and documentation. as a side note i agree that dealers did not select the body numbers for their ordered cars. ![]() |
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Agreed, you have to be comfortable with the history and doc's - and of course everyone has a different comfort level with this stuff.
I'm trying to think of other clues to check. The X11 on the TT is no help compared to an X44 D80 notation, is the speedo still there - possibly a double copo with the 140MPH? The big front bar? Special hole in f/wall for the C/I hood?
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Marlin 70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride) 69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride) 67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride) |
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Marlin, have you seen a bunch of 1969 COPO Camaros that were all ordered at the same time by the same dealer that had a couple of thousand bodynumbers between them ?
If I understand you right, if a dealer ordered lets say five COPO´s, the bodynumbers on those five cars would probably NOT be sequential. Even if they were ordered at the same time, right ? I just want to clarify. ![]()
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Anders Stålklint. After selling my COPO 9561 I´m now a "postman" with the main project being a 1966 327 2 dr sedan Chevy II.
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Both scenarios are possible. Sometimes a group of cars were sequential, other times they were not. I think that if a car is line with the others, it's a good indicator, but no 100% conclusive. It's a shame that NJ is so poor with title searches, as that is one avenue to find more info on the car.
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Marlin 70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride) 69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride) 67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride) |
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i guess for some the research on a particular car is fun.
i personally subscribe to the theory that the body numbers were sequential, if the order was accepted for production at one time from one specific dealer, it makes sense to me that the body numbers would serve as a type of purchase order number. jmo ![]() |
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I think if the body # is right in the middle of other known COPO's from the same dealer, NICB says it came from the same dealer, and all the typcial physical clues for a COPO car are intact, then you can probably be 99.9% it is a real COPO. The difficulty being if you spend $80K on a resto and then need to sell it for some reason, it might be more challenging getting the next buyer comfortable.
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Do you have an NICB report for this car?
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