Collector Car Fraud!!!

**firstgenaddict** · #1 08-10-2006, 02:35 AM

I believe that if hit by some law suits ebay will expose the auction winners...
There is no legitimate reason to have an aged document like the ones he sells. Not for fun... for wow factor... nothing, he can put all the disclaimers he wants in his ad.

It is like fake birth certificates, SS cards, etc. You may want a birth certificate that says you are John Wayne and it may be neat to have it, it may even be a conversation piece but that does not make the producer of the document any less guilty of forgery.
The difference is that he is guilty of a crime and for some reason the forgery of "authentic documents" is not a crime.
Disclaimer or not doesn't this guy bear some responsibility for the illegitimate use of his docs?
He knows exactly what they are being used for... or else he would sell them with out the "aging".

elcamino72 · #2 08-10-2006, 06:50 AM

Guys, first off, I really appreciate all of the positive comments. Second, I have all the faith in the world in the group of attorneys I’m working with, if fraud happens, we are committed to flushing it out. As for what this can cost, it all depends, every state is different and in Pennsylvania you are not allowed to advertise a flat fee for work like this because each case is different. Hopefully a majority of these cases will only take a phone call and a letter or two and they can be settled, if the odd few go further, we’ll have the ammunition and knowledge to be successful. Expert witnesses will not be a problem, car experts are no different than medical experts, they are still experts, once qualified in front of a judge, and the expert can charge a reasonable fee and have all his expenses paid for testifying. As for the aged paperwork, I agree what is the legitimate use/need for it?

Thanks again guys for supporting us on this, it means a lot. I really want to make a difference and I have my whole career to do so. I’m a car enthusiast, first and foremost, I own over 8 classic/collector vehicles and I know what the hobby means to all of you guys. I know if we all work together we can make a difference.

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ohhawk · #3 08-10-2006, 10:03 PM

The pioneers get the arrows but they eventually get the land.

Best to you and your firm!

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #4 08-10-2006, 10:21 PM

Hey Bryan,
Can I sue the PA-DOT for losing the records on my '69 Nova SS?

I was able to trace it back to a bank and Sunderland Chev. in Lemoyne, PA - but not further bec/ PA says 'it's an error'

Verne_Frantz · #5 08-10-2006, 10:35 PM

Marlin,
I heard that no PA records go back any further than '72 due the huge flood that wiped through Harrisburg.

Verne

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #6 08-10-2006, 10:57 PM

Verne, you got some bad info, I have a book of records that go back much further than '72. The 'flood' is a commonly used excuse, but when pressured the DOT will only call it 'an error'

My '69 must be cursed because it's not in the NICB database either

**kwhizz** · #7 08-11-2006, 04:26 AM

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Verne, you got some bad info, I have a book of records that go back much further than '72. The 'flood' is a commonly used excuse, but when pressured the DOT will only call it 'an error'

My '69 must be cursed because it's not in the NICB database either

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Maybe it's a Clone...........LOL......Just Kidding.. M

Ken

**BARN FIND** · #8 08-12-2006, 07:10 PM

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Verne, you got some bad info, I have a book of records that go back much further than '72. The 'flood' is a commonly used excuse, but when pressured the DOT will only call it 'an error'

My '69 must be cursed because it's not in the NICB database either

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How extensive are your records going back to 1972. I am interested in the PA records between 71 and 78.

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