Engine stamp refrence base.

Enoch · #1 03-02-2006, 06:56 PM

I thought I would post this here as it is a suggestion. What do you guys think of starting a data base of people who are willing to post pictures of thier Engine /trans stamps.

With all the requests latley of stamps from diffrent plants, this is the best way to compare against plant diffrences and also with a data base large enough we would be able to help folks when going to purchace a car to compare it with original stamps.

I know pepole have thier own collection of stamps but that only helps a few I would like to see The SYC be the place that people go to find this resource...any thoughts or comments.

Rich.

**SS427** · #2 03-02-2006, 08:03 PM

Rich,
I think you will get mixed responses. Though it is a great idea and a HUGE help for people trying to authenticate engines, I also believe it will give the cloners an even better opportunity to make fraudulent stamps. It is truly a shame that the hobby has come to this but that is the fact.
Rick

**Rainer** · #3 03-02-2006, 08:21 PM

I agree with Rick - we're educating the fakers more than we realize. Every time a newbie on Team Chevelle posts a question about IDing a real SS car I wonder if they're really looking to buy one, or rather looking to put a fake one together.

That being said, I think the idea has merit. I'm just not sure how to best implement it without teaching the cloners.

Enoch · #4 03-02-2006, 09:57 PM

Hey Guy's thanks for your input!!

Something to ponder...
The way to identify a fake is to become so knowledgeable with the real thing that when a fake comes up you know it instantaneously!! Thats how they teach money handlers to spot counterfeit bills. They have them handle real money and when a counterfeit comes up the know right away,it dosen't feel or look right.
And when the counterfeiters improve thier skills those who try to catch them have to change thier tactics.
They compile a file on each counterfeiter and study thier bills in order to find a way to ID each ones "work". I think that if a public data base for stamps would help us keep ahead of the "counterfeiters"
Right now they have the advantage compiling thier own data base.

budnate · #5 03-02-2006, 11:30 PM

the system in place is pretty good...we all know each other and all play with diff stuff...that being said if your chasing something out of the ordinary there always seems to be someone willing to give up some inside info to cover your backside if you have been online a board somewhere and have a upstanding track record if that makes sense you can seek help on other boards, kinda like the feedback system on ebay a person can feal pretty good about talking with you. at least thats my take,

not to crazy about having stuff out in the open as I plan to play with more cars and dont really want to buy a really good clone by mistake someday. now that would suck.

**Pacecarjeff** · #6 03-03-2006, 03:56 AM

There are different anomilies in the factorys from day to day, and week to week.
If you put a database of the stamps in the open. Then all those little irregularities will be there for anyone to see.
It will be open season for the cloners. Don't do it.
It is almost too hard to tell now. Having something to compare from the same day as what you want to replicate would make it way too easy.

69L72RS · #7 03-03-2006, 03:57 PM

I would agree with Jeff.
A while ago I had a data table of info on BE rears posted.
It was copied and is being used to make fake ones now.
That Is why I have not made any updates to it.
Since it was posted, I have seen 5 faked rears that were made from the dates in the table.
Hindsight has educated me that it was a bad decision to post that info IMO.
Eric

67 GTO · #8 03-04-2006, 11:51 AM

Database could work, but it would have to be run by someone everybody could trust - kinda like PHS. If he says there's something wrong with it...

Verne_Frantz · #9 03-06-2006, 02:29 AM

Rick is absolutely right, and you have hit the nail on the head. Such a dbase should be maintained by a person people trust rather than making it public. One would need to contact that person when he had an inquiry as the legitimacy of a stamping. It's a lot to ask of one person, and it's a lot for people to be comfortable with one answer from one person. It's a tremendous obligation and committment, and it is not without it's detractors for their selfish reasons. Believe me, I know. But it is the safest way to get the job done and protect the future of our hobby as best as we can.

Imagine giving everyone, every single citizen, in your town a gun and a badge, so they all were policemen. Would you feel safer?

Verne

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