$200K 1969 Z-28

[Charley Lillard]

Jerry...If you are going to keep touting your Z28 on this site, please price it.

[Steve Shauger]

Jerry, at this point it is probably easiest to set a price by just figuring how much profit you want to make on the car.

[scott s]

I have a 20k orig mile rs car completely unrestored(even the hood) has the orig air in the tires that i want to sell well maybe not. I have no price in mind,no pics,really no info,but i did stay at a holiday inn express last nite!!!!!! I believe what makes this post even worse is that jerry is a professional appraiser for these cars,perhaps the market has got him stumped once again

[TimG]

In 1981 I bought a 12,000 mile '69 Indy Pace car from Fink Chevrolet in Horicon, WI. Mr. Fink left the car in the MSO until one week before I purchased the car from him. The car was on a grease rack for 12 years, they used the car in summer and had a trailer hitch on the car. If this car went through BJ today people would say, why does it have signs of a trailer hitch (drilled holes in the bumper and trunk), why did the dealer undercoat and Z Bart the car (who knows), where are the original tires (he changed them right away), why is the rear window changed on the soft top (cracked one winter), why is the front fender painted so horribly (sign fell over on the car)? It was a great car, but Mr. Fink didn't give a hoot about putting a trailer hitch on the car and drilling holes in the door jambs to rustproof the car, he put 10 gallons of undercoat on the car, also. He did all this to rustproof the car and then never drove it in rain or snow. What I'm saying is that folks did strange things to cars that they didn't drive, things that are contrary to logic like rust proofing and undercoating (heavily) a car that you're going to put on a grease rack and drilling holes in good bumpers and trunk for a trailer hitch. He also added a remote drivers side mirror and a passenger side mirror along with front and rear bumper guards.

[af1fe]

How much can a car be "fluffed" and still be called a survivor? What is the true definition of "survivor" car? I have heard alot of different explanations lately, and they all are different.

[Mr70]

I personally draw the line at red heater hoses.

[Jerry@CHP]

Charlie,

I am not touting the car. Stuart Adams asked if the car was for still for sale. All I did was say yes and give him my e-mail. Is that touting? You've already pulled the car from the cars for sale section of this site. I don't have a problem with that.....and I didn't know about your rule about pricing the car.

Thanks,

Jerry

[Charley Lillard]

"Yes, my Z has twice the mileage but it is twice the car. I will bet my reputation on that! Factory chambered, factory floor mats, 4.10 rear, build sheet and all the original parts are in this car........shocks, exhaust, master cylinder, etc, etc. Anyone, and I mean anyone is free to come by my shop and inspect this car in person. The ink stampings are still on the carb."
I would call that touting. You are free to place your car for sale on this site but put a price on it. I had sent you a private message regarding the ad but you did not respond.

[Jerry@CHP]

Charlie,

I stated that information because you were tending to bash the car that I have......."The Barrett-Jackson car has 11000 miles. I think Jerry's had over twice the mileage." Like a 28K mileage car with all original parts intact is a POS survivor compaired to the one sold at BJ? You don't know for certain that the 11K car mileage car is real, and it appears that most clear thinking Camaro hobbyists on this site think that this car had more than maintenance issues.

I never received your private message about selling or posting my car.

Thanks,

Jerry

[Steve Shauger]

Survivor camaros are very rare and desirable. Most unrestored cars have had some form of maintenance performed, although there are a few time capsules. In the Camaro arena there is one program VINTAGE CAMARO that judges and certifies these cars. Our program incorporates four divisions to accomodate the different levels of originality. These cars represent the benchmark by which camaros should be restored to. We have had the pleasure of certifying many ultra low mileage cars from COPOs to grocery getters. They all have a story to tell and much is learned from them and documented. Below I pasted a document that outlines our program and the criteria we use in our program.

VINTAGE CAMARO PROVIDES THE FOLLOWING:


• Encourages the preservation, status, recognition and appreciation of unrestored Camaros

• Offer the hobbyist the opportunity to have their Camaro certified objectively and fairly

• Promotes and adheres to the philosophy that the original car showing wear is preferable to one that is improperly restored

• Vintage Camaro represents a repository of factory correct standards by which the hobby and serious restorers can all benefit

• Vintage Certification identifies a Camaro as having completed a thorough exhausting inspection process, which references factory standards, and at a level as certified by Vintage Camaro

Vintage Certifications levels are divided into four divisions:


• Vintage Legend - Camaros that are 80%-90% unrestored in all reference areas.
• Vintage Legacy - Camaros that are minimally 50% unrestored, in three out of five reference areas.
• Vintage Reference - Camaros that are unrestored in at least
one Vintage Reference Area.
• Camaro Icon - Camaros that have original-unrestored
components disbursed throughout.

Reference Areas: Certification consists of two areas of consideration, Originality (90%) and Preservation (10%). Reference areas are as follows:

• Engine Compartment Area
• Exterior Body
• Interior Body
• Underbody
• Trunk


What are the benefits of Vintage Certification???
• Vintage Camaro is unique, because it provides recognition, value and status to unrestored (survivor) Camaros.

• Provides documentation, and verifies the Camaros pedigree.

• Provides the owner with a detailed listing of correct and incorrect items

• Our goal is to uncover new information and share it with you.


How do I proceed getting my Camaro Certified???

Simply review our rules and guidelines packet. If after reviewing our packet you feel your Camaro meets our criteria, fill out the last page Request for Application and mail it to the address provided at the bottom of the application.

If you have questions,or feel your car qualifies we can be contacted directly, Steve at 631-514-9765 / [email protected] or Brett can be reached at 740-676-4920.


BTW we are in search of a few survivor class camaros. We will be participating at the Camaro Nationals @ Carlisle this June. For further detailed information about our program email me and I will send out our Rules& Guidelines packet with an application.