Needing reassurance on purchase

[CamarosRus]

Charley, You're showing more restraint than I'm capable of. MR 69 HURST has stated his position, and now I find him just plain arrogant. His CAP LOCK B.S.is just plain disrespectful to everyone here (Still dont know why K.P. gets away it).....and he deserves a "time-out"
I am one of the 2nd Gen Legends Judges for the ACA Camaro Nationals at Carlisle. I have also been an expert witness in a Tacoma,WA court case, where a man bought a clone 70 Z-28, sold as real......never have claimed to know it all, however 70 Camaros are of a special interest to me.
All the 70 Norwood Z-28's I've inspected had there VIN #'s stamped on lower rear left bellhousing flange (see pic example below) staring with 10N5XXXXX. The block in question may or may not have a real VIN in that location, but VIN on deck has been added !!!!!!!!
L.A. Z-28's generally had there VIN's stamped on the deck.

[Stuart Adams]

I agree, Charley needs to release those velcro straps on his shoes once in a while and kick some boot.

[Xplantdad]

[69HURST]

I hope this helps, sorry about the caps, I never relied on the block vin stamp to form my opinion of the originality of this block, I realize it should have 2 additional numerals. If i was trying to hide or fool someone i would not have included a photo of the vin. There may very well be a vin stamp down below, I couldnt see one. I dont think anyone can say for certain that this motor did not come in this car. you can say all you want about the stamp being suspect. I agree the vin stamp is suspect. What i cant answer is who put it there. sm

[kwhizz]

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I hope this helps, sorry about the caps, I never relied on the block vin stamp to form my opinion of the originality of this block, I realize it should have 2 additional numerals. If i was trying to hide or fool someone i would not have included a photo of the vin. There may very well be a vin stamp down below, I couldnt see one. I dont think anyone can say for certain that this motor did not come in this car. you can say all you want about the stamp being suspect. I agree the vin stamp is suspect. What i cant answer is who put it there. sm

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Lawyereze..........Nuf Said!!!

Ken

[LexDawg]

Gentlemen, Obviously there is room for blame on both sides of the issue. I hope everyone reading this thread who is new to the hobby realizes the importance of examining a car first hand before buying. If you are spending an amount of money that makes you the least bit uncomfortable, then for petes sakes go look at the car wherever it may be. What makes you uncomfortable has more to do with the value of the car as opposed to a buyers financial situation. (Although I'm sure certain people buy six and seven figure cars without looking at them and don't think twice) My rule of thumb is to research the value of the car through various sources and reach an educated opinion of the REAL value to me. If I'm going to pay that number or more I always go look. Otherwise I may simply buy based on photos knowing I'm getting a real steal and there might be some hidden problems. The problem I see here is the attitude of the seller when confronted with the issue. If the seller had a different demeanor with regards to the complaints I think the responses would be less harsh. The seller needs to consider that he may be "burning bridges" with folks who might be potential buyers when he jumps on a respected member of the hobby ,and this site ,like Charley. By the way Ken that doesn't sound like lawyereze. If the seller had spoken with an attorney, I'm sure he would have been advised to make no statements regarding his belief that the vin stamp is suspect. An admission that is patently ommitted from the original desc. on e-bay. It is one thing to honestly be in the dark about an issue and quite another to have suspicion about an issue and fail to disclose the same. Hope that wasn't too much lawyereze. Mitch

[69HURST]

Not for nothing, "failure to disclose" the picture of the vin stamp is plain as day, the description shows the vin as it is stamped. how did i fail to disclose? sm

[kwhizz]

By the way Ken that doesn't sound like lawyereze. If the seller had spoken with an attorney, I'm sure he would have been advised to make no statements regarding his belief that the vin stamp is suspect. An admission that is patently ommitted from the original desc. on e-bay. It is one thing to honestly be in the dark about an issue and quite another to have suspicion about an issue and fail to disclose the same. Hope that wasn't too much lawyereze. Mitch

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Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ken

[musclecarjohn]

As an owner of my '70 Z since 1979 and having inspected many '70-'73 Z/28's,it didn't take me long to see something was seriously wrong with RS Endura nose on this car...that one's about as cobbled up as any I've ever seen.Obviously full of filler...makes one wonder about the rest of the car...

That would have thrown up a red flag for me...the moment I saw the internet picture.

[Jacsey 70Z]

I think if this is not the original block they sure found a perfect block to put in. What I'm saying is the dates fit perfect for the car, and I think if you look on the oil filter flange it may make you feel better. I alway said a 70Z with the VIN on the pad is worth taking a second look at because i don't think it happened at the factory. But everyone thinks all correct engines should have it or else people will question the car, so they were added when they got a chance. Some did a better job then others, this guy did a lousy job like it was done in the car with the head on and free hand.
So like someone said you my have the original engine with a added VIN on the pad. If so I think you have a nice car with a lot of potential and a Great color and options you just paid to much.