Needing reassurance on purchase

[Grusum]

Believe me Kenny this is no #1 car nor was I expecting it to be. For the price and amount of interest in the car, I just expected not to find some of the things I did. Just plain shoddy workmanship, just obvious lack of attention as to how things were assembled, etc. The drivers door won't close with the window up, new weathersripping improperly installed, poor fit on the bumpers, non working radio, floppy side window, floppy dash. I could go on and on. I expected to touch this baby up for the price I paid, not have to strip her down and start from scratch. If this is what I'm finding now I can't imagine what'll be found a little deeper. The blatant lack of concern for these cheap simple little things leads me to believe it's probably more sinister the further you delve into it.

[Grusum]

All this speculation is also assuming that it is a true Z. The jury is still out on this one. If its not even really a Z then I feel it's a case of fraud. If it turns out not to be a Z then we're looking at a very mediocre 18-20K car. I'm working on verifying this. What do you guys think.

[Charley Lillard]

As bad as the resto and engine stamping is I doubt if the guy faking the Z would know to mount the gas pedal on the floor.

[Grusum]

Thats the frustrating part. Why would they waste the time and effort to do just a half-a$$ed car. When alot of the things are right, why cheap out on the easiest things to fix. If he went to the trouble to re-stamp it why not at least do it right, or even half right on some other things( not hard to do at the time, but a big undertaking now ) . More investigation soon to come most notably in the rear sway bar mount. I'll let you know.

[Jim Ferron]

Well I've just recieved a PM from the seller who has taken my 'bigger fool' comment as an insult. He tells me he wants to meet up with me at Carlisle.
Well first off, I was more or less defending the seller or at least so I thought, my comment was aimed at most car dealers in general which BTW I am a car dealer too so I guess I'm allowed the swipe...

Funny how the seller found time to comment to me in a PM but hasn't had the balls to comment in this thread...yet.

It really is a funny world. I should have kept my mouth shut.

[Belair62]

It was actually a pretty honest post Jim...who was the seller here ???

[69HURST]

YES, MAYBE YOU SHOULD, I DONT NEED ANY HELP DEFENDING MYSELF. AS FAR AS BALLS GO, I HAVE SPOKEN TO GORD ON FRIDAY, HE OUTLINED HIS CONCERNS, WE HAD A FRIENDLY CONVERSATION, HE WENT ON TO SAY HE TAKES RESPONSIBILITY FOR WAIVING HIS RIGHT TO A PERSONAL OR 3RD PARTY INSPECTION.AND DOES NOT PUT ANY BLAME FOR HIS DISAPPOINTMENT ON ME. IF YOU CANT READ OR CHOOSE NOT TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE TERMS OUTLINED IN THE AD FOR THIS CAR THEN AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THIS BUYER WAS GIVEN EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THIS CAR WAS RIGHT FOR HIM.

GORD, IM NOT SURE WHO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAID "Why would they waste the time and effort to do just a half-a$$ed car" AND "If he went to the trouble to re-stamp it " WHO ARE YOU RE FURRING TO?

ALSO I TOLD YOU ON FRIDAY WHEN YOU CALLED THAT A GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA CALLED ME MANY TIMES AFTER YOU COMPLETED THE PURCHASE OF THE CAR. HE WANTED THE CAR IF YOU DIDNT COME THROUGH. ALSO ON FRIDAY I INFORMED YOU AN INSPECTION WAS DONE FOR THE BUYER OF THE FIRST AUCTION BUT I WAS NOT GIVEN THE REPORT SINCE I WAS NOT THE CUSTOMER.

I DONT PLAN ON RESPONDING TO EVERY COMMENT MADE ON THIS THREAD. MY AD WAS VERY CLEAR, I WANTED THE BUYER TO EVALUATE AND DECIDE BY MEANS OF INSPECTION WHAT THE CAR IS WORTH TO HIM, THE CAR WAS ADVERTISED AS A DRIVER,

GORD YOU WROTE "He put it right out there , meaning (to me anyways) that it would stand up to scrutiny"

"THIS 70 Z/28 HAS JUST COME OUT OF MANY YEARS OF STORAGE, IT WAS RESTORED SOME TIME AGO, THE CAR IS NOT A TOP SHOW CAR, BUT IS A DRIVER / LOCAL CRUISER. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR FROM THE START,
I WILL DESCRIBE THIS CAR WITHOUT TYPING FOR DAYS AND WOULD LIKE A PROSPECTIVE BUYER TO INSPECT OR HIRE AN INSPECTION COMPANY TO EVALUATE THIS CAR PRIOR TO BIDDING. """

WHAT PART OF THIS STATEMENT IMPLIES THE CAR CAN STAND UP TO SCRUTINY ??

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT WHAT A CAR IS WORTH DIFFERS FROM ONE BUYER TO ANOTHER, IF A GUY HAD ONE AS A FIRST CAR OR GOT MARRIED IN A PARTICULAR CAR HE MAY PAY WAY MORE THAN WE THINK ITS WORTH. SM

[Grusum]

Scott, The "people" I am referring to are the people who actually did the work to the car, whomever they may be. I don't think that you had the car long enough to do much more than detailing and preparing it for re-sale.

By openly offering for people to have the car independantly inspected, as well as bringing attention to the trim tag, that only more reinforced to me that the car was legit. It's like War or Poker: Showing Weakness=Strength
Showing Strength=Weakness
If you offer something like that, it meant to me that it would obviously pass the test or why else would you bring it up. Hope this clears it up for you. By the way I'm still hoping you can find me that guy who wants the car so bad.

[Grusum]

HEY Scott, better yet, take the car back! I'll ship it, and I'll eat all of my expenses thus far,and we'll all chalk it up to a learning experience.
That is if you are confident you could sell it , you obviously have better contacts and resources than I do.

[Benny Arena]

As someone who flew all over the USA ,and Canada for that matter, to look for a 70Z28, I can understand you being frustrated here. I spoke with many people and got many pictures of cars and flew out on "trust me you see it you'll buy it" only to see real junk when I arrived there. Pictures only show so much as we see here. I think the car is a real Z28 and it is a shame what happened here. But when spending all the money for these cars you have to go look, in the long run its cheaper. If you can get past your first feelings about the car and have the time and funds to fix it-it can turn out to be a real nice car. Good luck in what ever you chose.