Needing reassurance on purchase

Jim Ferron · #1 02-20-2006, 09:15 AM

Well I've just recieved a PM from the seller who has taken my 'bigger fool' comment as an insult. He tells me he wants to meet up with me at Carlisle.
Well first off, I was more or less defending the seller or at least so I thought, my comment was aimed at most car dealers in general which BTW I am a car dealer too so I guess I'm allowed the swipe...

Funny how the seller found time to comment to me in a PM but hasn't had the balls to comment in this thread...yet.

It really is a funny world. I should have kept my mouth shut.

Belair62 · #2 02-20-2006, 09:58 AM

It was actually a pretty honest post Jim...who was the seller here ???

69HURST · #3 02-20-2006, 10:17 AM

YES, MAYBE YOU SHOULD, I DONT NEED ANY HELP DEFENDING MYSELF. AS FAR AS BALLS GO, I HAVE SPOKEN TO GORD ON FRIDAY, HE OUTLINED HIS CONCERNS, WE HAD A FRIENDLY CONVERSATION, HE WENT ON TO SAY HE TAKES RESPONSIBILITY FOR WAIVING HIS RIGHT TO A PERSONAL OR 3RD PARTY INSPECTION.AND DOES NOT PUT ANY BLAME FOR HIS DISAPPOINTMENT ON ME. IF YOU CANT READ OR CHOOSE NOT TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE TERMS OUTLINED IN THE AD FOR THIS CAR THEN AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THIS BUYER WAS GIVEN EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THIS CAR WAS RIGHT FOR HIM.

GORD, IM NOT SURE WHO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAID "Why would they waste the time and effort to do just a half-a$$ed car" AND "If he went to the trouble to re-stamp it " WHO ARE YOU RE FURRING TO?

ALSO I TOLD YOU ON FRIDAY WHEN YOU CALLED THAT A GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA CALLED ME MANY TIMES AFTER YOU COMPLETED THE PURCHASE OF THE CAR. HE WANTED THE CAR IF YOU DIDNT COME THROUGH. ALSO ON FRIDAY I INFORMED YOU AN INSPECTION WAS DONE FOR THE BUYER OF THE FIRST AUCTION BUT I WAS NOT GIVEN THE REPORT SINCE I WAS NOT THE CUSTOMER.

I DONT PLAN ON RESPONDING TO EVERY COMMENT MADE ON THIS THREAD. MY AD WAS VERY CLEAR, I WANTED THE BUYER TO EVALUATE AND DECIDE BY MEANS OF INSPECTION WHAT THE CAR IS WORTH TO HIM, THE CAR WAS ADVERTISED AS A DRIVER,

GORD YOU WROTE "He put it right out there , meaning (to me anyways) that it would stand up to scrutiny"

"THIS 70 Z/28 HAS JUST COME OUT OF MANY YEARS OF STORAGE, IT WAS RESTORED SOME TIME AGO, THE CAR IS NOT A TOP SHOW CAR, BUT IS A DRIVER / LOCAL CRUISER. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR FROM THE START,
I WILL DESCRIBE THIS CAR WITHOUT TYPING FOR DAYS AND WOULD LIKE A PROSPECTIVE BUYER TO INSPECT OR HIRE AN INSPECTION COMPANY TO EVALUATE THIS CAR PRIOR TO BIDDING. """

WHAT PART OF THIS STATEMENT IMPLIES THE CAR CAN STAND UP TO SCRUTINY ??

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT WHAT A CAR IS WORTH DIFFERS FROM ONE BUYER TO ANOTHER, IF A GUY HAD ONE AS A FIRST CAR OR GOT MARRIED IN A PARTICULAR CAR HE MAY PAY WAY MORE THAN WE THINK ITS WORTH. SM

Grusum · #4 02-20-2006, 11:23 AM

Scott, The "people" I am referring to are the people who actually did the work to the car, whomever they may be. I don't think that you had the car long enough to do much more than detailing and preparing it for re-sale.

By openly offering for people to have the car independantly inspected, as well as bringing attention to the trim tag, that only more reinforced to me that the car was legit. It's like War or Poker: Showing Weakness=Strength
Showing Strength=Weakness
If you offer something like that, it meant to me that it would obviously pass the test or why else would you bring it up. Hope this clears it up for you. By the way I'm still hoping you can find me that guy who wants the car so bad.

Grusum · #5 02-20-2006, 12:31 PM

HEY Scott, better yet, take the car back! I'll ship it, and I'll eat all of my expenses thus far,and we'll all chalk it up to a learning experience.
That is if you are confident you could sell it , you obviously have better contacts and resources than I do.

Benny Arena · #6 02-20-2006, 05:00 PM

As someone who flew all over the USA ,and Canada for that matter, to look for a 70Z28, I can understand you being frustrated here. I spoke with many people and got many pictures of cars and flew out on "trust me you see it you'll buy it" only to see real junk when I arrived there. Pictures only show so much as we see here. I think the car is a real Z28 and it is a shame what happened here. But when spending all the money for these cars you have to go look, in the long run its cheaper. If you can get past your first feelings about the car and have the time and funds to fix it-it can turn out to be a real nice car. Good luck in what ever you chose.

EUGENE OREGON · #7 02-24-2006, 01:36 AM

Grusum,
It was nice talking with you this morning on the phone. I'm sorry for you loss on your Camaro. I agree with 69HURST (yup), and lots of other guys. You should ALWAYS have a car inspected before purchase.
ESPECIALLY from "Milford Auto Sales" in Hopedale, Massachusetts. Scott has obviously gotten better at shading the truth to protect himself. Of course every car a dealer sells isn't bad, but Scott will shade it to sound like every one is good! We true "car guys" need to stick together and inspect cars for each other--and drive shady dealers out when we can.
Yes, I purchased a misrepresented car 3 years ago from Scott. NO ONE would have paid what I did if they had seen it! My $30k "done" car I'll have over $50k in it before I can actually drive it. That's $20k in just mechanical problems! I won't bore you with the details, if you want to know, search for him on www.complaints.com.
I got the same song and dance, all the things that make it sound like he cares and will settle. Then he tells you to f-off. I wouldn't hold out any hope that he will help you.

I hope he does do the "stand up" thing! Can we all say in unison: INTEGRITY?

mulsane71z · #8 02-20-2006, 05:02 PM

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HEY Scott, better yet, take the car back! I'll ship it, and I'll eat all of my expenses thus far,and we'll all chalk it up to a learning experience.
That is if you are confident you could sell it , you obviously have better contacts and resources than I do.

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Sounds fair, especially seeing he has a buyer in Georgia...... Sorry about your luck......

Could you tell us more on the issue with being a "real Z" or not??????

Grusum · #9 02-20-2006, 05:44 PM

Coming soon,....... I just got off a stretch of 12hr night shifts, and need to get some Z's (NO PUN INTENDED!) Plus the weather here seems to be crapping out on us lately and I don't have any heat in my garage. Stay tuned folks....

**Charley Lillard** · #10 02-20-2006, 06:43 PM

69Hurst...Thanks for responding. I think most of us here think your auction did a decent job of making it clear that this was no show car. But in your auction you also stated "ORIGINAL MATCHING ENGINE" . From the engine pad pic posted earlier in this thread it is obvious that someone other than GM stamped that vin on the engine pad. That does have a effect on the value of this car. Maybe you could refund him something in consideration of the engine being wrong.

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