Unique Shelby Convertible for sale

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Some facts that I know about this car are:

It was bought out of Kentucky by Dave from IN
Sold to J
Restored by K (one of the best in the business)
Sold by J at BJ
When the car was at BJ it was housed in the premier tent, not in the fields, acknowledging it as a fantastic car.
The time came for J to bring it out of the tent and into the line up. When the car was barely out of the tent and not even into the line up, still on the west side of the tent a gal driving her husbands led sled did not stop and drove into the rear end of the vehicle. We scrambled to fix the superficial damage, a felt marker was used to color the fragmented fibreglas on the tail light panel. There were no less than three of us behind the car all the way through the line up and onto the podium.
A lawsuit followed and J brought in an expert witness to testify that $25,000 damage had been done. The amount was awarded and J payed his lawyers $20,000 of it and kept $5,000. As usual the expert witness got nothing for his time but did go to court to testify. The repairs were all done and this might be where some of the confusion on this car started.

[gemleeus]

OMG,its been wrecked. i'll get some of that popcorn now!!

[PeteLeathersac]

Enjoyable thread....at least from the sidelines! . I've gotta say that Golfer is a class act to repond the way he has as this whole story has unfolded thus far!!! . I hope the facts and further inspection of the car helps someone know exactly what they are getting also confirms the amount as more than justified!!! . Best of luck Golfer and great job by everyone getting the information together while at the same time keeping their tounge in check....hope it continues here in this thread also any similar situations in the future! . This site rocks!!! ~ Pete

[Rick H]

Oh boy, I gotta get some more cold ones because I have a feeling this thing is not about to end real soon.

Rick H.

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Oh boy, I gotta get some more cold ones because I have a feeling this thing is not about to end real soon.

Rick H.

[/ QUOTE ] this thread makes great entertainment for those with No money or reputations at stake. and most observers are uninformed on Shelby/Ford Parts Value, this really sucks for "Golfer". INMHO This should have been addressed with a Private message to Golfer and discussed between the two concerned parties. having withstood one of these Tests by Fire I assure you it is not a pleasant position to find yourself in. and win or lose, folks will always tend to remember the scrutiny associated with you more than the actual facts uncovered in the end. oh yeah, HAPPY THANKSGIVING ONE AND ALL!!!!!

[Racefan]

FWIW, I agree that it has to be a terrible experience for golfer. However, he has taken it very well and has proven to be not only honest (I said before that I didn't think he meant to misinform) but also genuinely interested in getting to the bottom of the situation. He is not being overly defensive, and seems honestly motivated to find the truth. And THAT is what I will remember from this exchange.....not any questions about a car or etc. I believe him now in what he says, and I would tend to believe him in the future on a car that doesn't have that ugly blue oval on it.

Now, I still stand by my thought on what Les' responsibility is. Not sure why he doesn't come up with names for golfer, but I am sure he has his reasons. All I know is that Les' comments that can be readily proven to be true by public info, has been. All in all, I feel as though both Les and golfer are stand up guys just trying to get truth in the open. Period.

[jfkheat]

In my opinion, instead of Les giving Golfer the names and numbers of the people that bought parts off this car, he should contact these people and give them Golfer's contact info. They may not want to get involved in this situation. If they do, then they can call Golfer with any info they might have.
James

[Stuart Adams]

Have the car inspected by an independent Shelby expert, period. It will protect the buyer and seller.

Probably a good lesson for all. If you are going to advertise a car for sale and boast about how great it is or not then have your ducks in a row to answer possible questions. IMO.
If the seller would have consulted the Registry before and disclosed those items , the Block, mileage, etc., that would have limited the discussions to the other parts possibly missing or not. That would have been solved by an INDEPENDENT Shelby expert analysis, which would solve that part of the equation.
People who are going to spend 375K for a car and here allegations, true or not, are not going to believe previous owners. Because the car can change quickly from owner to another. The new owner wants to know what the car is like TODAY.

[Les Quam]

It's my perception that my motivations and credibilty are being called into question regarding this thread so I feel compelled to expound on a few issues to the extent possible.

I have been a muscle car owner and enthusiast since 1974 when I purchased my first muscle car a Shelby GT 350 CV and drove it, lived in it when necessary and generally enjoyed every minute of owning it for over 10 years. Heck I even lost my virginity in it when I gave my girlfriend the best 10 seconds she ever had! LOL The point is I have been buying and selling muscle cars for over 30 years and love this hobby.

A few years ago I realized I could only contribute two things to this hobby I love so much. I can write a big check for a Thoroughbred or O.E. type car and be a respectful curator and preserve that car for the next curator. Secondly I can contribute the services of my law firm to people in the muscle car world who have been the victims of fraud upon the purchase of a muscle car. Subsequently I put out the word that my law office would represent such victims on a no cost basis if they couldn't afford to retain an attorney to recover their damages. For those that can afford an attorney but choose to retain my office because of my limited knowledge of muscle cars and my background as a prosecutor we commonly only require only to be paid for our actual costs and be paid in cheeseburgers and lunch for our time. It's our way of saying thank you to this wonderful hobby. We have never made even one penny on any of our muscle car cases, and WE NEVER WILL.

On or about May 2004 my office was retained to recover the purchase price of 75K for a client who had purchased a 1970 white six pack cuda VIN BS23V0B234695. The client who himself is one of the most knowledgeable muscle car guys in the world and is also one of the sponsors of this fantastic forum bought the cuda sight unseen based upon the representations of two dealers working together to represent the car as genuine. Upon receipt of the car our client immediately realized the fender tag was a reproduction, the cowl tag had been welded on from another car, and the engine was restamped. In other words the car was a complete rebody and a total fraud.

After my law office was retained we hired Galen Govier to inspect the car and write a report to verify our clients findings. Mr. Govier confirmed that the cuda was as we suspected a complete fraud.

During the litigation we learned who restored the car and the restorer indicated that he restamped the engine and welded a cowl tag from another car on to this cuda. The restorer indicated that it was not his intention to ever represent the cuda as original and that he put on notice both the dealer who bought the car and the dealer who ultimately acquired the reproduction fender tag and affixed it to the cuda that it was a clone.

Subsequently both dealers represented the cuda as genuine and worked in concert to sell it to our client.

We were able to recover all of our clients purchase price plus all his shipping costs and the selling dealer took the car back. However during our investigation in this litigation our office came upon information relating to other cars both dealers had sold. That information is confidential and I am both legally and ethically bound not to disclose the sources for that information and I will explain further in a moment.

After our client recovered his purchase price and paid us in butter burgers and boring stories of his vintage racing days we all hoped that would be the last we heard of that cuda.

Unfortunately one of the dealers elected to put that very same cuda back on his websight for an asking price of over 100K. My office was alerted to this by another client with a perceived grieveance against this dealer regarding another car sold by this dealer who retained us because he believes the cuda was sold by that dealer for 125K and that the the dealer did not fully disclose the rebody, restamp and identity change history of this cuda. We are currently in the process of investigating that POSSIBILITY. I stress this is just a possibilty. We have therefore acquired a great deal of background information regarding this matter and it relates to other cars besides the cuda and I cannot dicuss or disclose priviliged information even if I wanted too. I hope that everyone understands this and is patient with me regarding this.

We would appreciate any information anyone may have regarding this cuda and as you can see all information will be kept confidential.

I have sent Chip a PM and discussed his car with him and offered him my help at no cost to him (other than cheeseburgers)and offer to him now my most sincere apologies for any problems I have caused him in this thread. This thread has taken on a life of it's own now IMHO. One easy way to remove any cloud that may exist over this car and it's parts is for Chip to get his digital camera out and take some shots of the part numbers of the exhuast, plug wires, carb, date code on the block, air cleaner, etc. We can easily decode these it wouldn't take more than a few minutes and be of no cost.

I still maintain Chip's Shelby is one of the finest in the world and anyone should be proud to own it and that it is well worth his asking price. Lets not forget one thing as we discuss his car. It is unquestionably a 69 Shelby GT 500 4 speed drag pack car with one of the rarest color combos in history and is a historic and very significant car. It is still clearly a MCA concours gold car and may very well be still a thoroughbred. Everyone should consider the infromation my law office acquired during our litigation MAY NOT be true regarding the parts. People make mistakes and many times people have their own agenda's. We have not formed any concrete conclusions and neither should anyone else. We believe the information we have acquired to be reliable but we can't guarantee it.

Finally it has come to my attention that I should spread the word more effectively regarding my law offices's offer to help victims of muscle car fraud and will today began the process of having my law office become a sponsor of this fine web sight. So Charley as soon as your done stuffing yourself you have my private email please let me know how do become a sponsor here? It's our way of saying happy Thanksgiving.

In the meantime I can be reached at either of my law offices. Law firm of Quam and Venit 3240 West Irving Park Chicago Il. 773 463 7400. Or 1280 S. Decatur Las Vegas Nevada 702 877 2383. It is easier to reach me at the Chicago office since most of my staff in Vegas are out on maternity leave. You can also send me a PM on this forum.

ONE NOTE OF CAUTION WE OFFER THIS SERVICE FOR VICTIMS OF FRAUD. IF YOU BUY A MUSCLE CAR AND THE DOME LIGHT DOESN'T WORK OR THE WINDOWS WON'T ROLL UP OR TEN THINGS BROKE WHEN THE CAR WAS BEING DELIVERED TO YOU. GET OVER IT, THEY ARE OLD CARS SOMETHING BREAKS ON THEM DAILY. LOL

[SSJunkie68-69]

I have been following this thread since the start as many of you have. I see and understands both sides of the issues at hand. I would like to thank both Chip and Les for conducting themselves in the utmost professional manners.

Les, your post above goes along way to explain things. I am glad there are people like you as well as dealers like Chip and Mike who are willing to step up and help get the record set straight. That is a very generous thing you have been doing for those in the hobby. Thank you.

Now I can get back to deep frying that turkey and celebrating my dear Mother's 73rd birthday but before I go back does anyone see any correlation here in some of Les's recent post.........

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Heck I even lost my virginity in it when I gave my girlfriend the best 10 seconds she ever had!

It is easier to reach me at the Chicago office since most of my staff in Vegas are out on maternity leave.

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Just Kidding, it was too good to pass on....Happy Turkey Day to All!