Unique Shelby Convertible for sale

[Les Quam]

Rich,
I think my thought process was that I hope to buy the Blue Dots I borrowed from my friend or find some more in the future.

I am making one 69 428 Shaker CV a Thoroughbred and one a driver. Which is a big factor in owning a Thoroughbred the limited amount (if any) of driving.

Most of these Thoroughbreds are restored and never started at all. The MCA allows you to push it from the trailer to it's assigned spot. I disagree strongly with this MCA rule. IMHO they all must be able to be driven.

But the MCAs thought process is that some of the parts are so expensive now that starting a car with a 20K exhaust system and blowing a hole in the muffler when the carb backfires means you may never find another NOS exhaust system. So they are stuck in this quandry right now in that some cars are restored using NOS parts that are also date code correct meaning they are the correct year AND some restorations even have all parts with the correct year and dates built before the car was built for absolute correctness as if it just came off the assembly line. So finding correct parts to meet this obsessive criteria means the parts sometimes are more valuable then the car as a whole. So MCA allows restorers to push their cars at shows and not damage the impossible to find parts. I am not sure how the other makes of cars handle OE type restos?

Does anyone know how the original equipment corvettes are handled and if Chevy and Pontiac guys obsess to this level as the Ford guys do?

And yeah it's like cheating on an exam how do you think I got through school? LOL

[rich p]

Now that was funny [ And yeah it's like cheating on an exam how do you think I got through school? LOL]

I found out a long time ago that restamp and blank pads go threw the judging process, as if nothing is wrong.

[MosportGreen66]

It happens a lot more than you think. In the Chevy world too. I have borrowed wheels and tires for shows when the original knock off wheels were not finished with restoration. I know of a highly document/ '66 COPO Corvette (bc of interior/exterior color cobination) that has a near NOS off road (under car) exhaust system from a 1967 427/390 Vette. The owner of the '67 wanted some money back from the restoration fees and sold the exhaust system. It still had the original pipes, and even an ink stamp that says "Off Assembly" on the original mufflers. With all hardware and main dressing items like the chrome tail pipes with the mold seem on the bottom, he paid $2500 (and that was 3 years ago). I know of guys that exchange RC15 radiator caps and "VEN-TED" original gas caps for show cars all day long. To me this is NO different than buying an NOS original dual snorkle air cleaner assembly off ebay for $6500 or spending $500 on an original Delco oil filter. So what if the parts were once on a show car or not... same difference... after all when owners are done showcasing the restoration shop's job on the car you would think the owner would want to make it more streetable again... (but thats another thread)...

[rich p]

(Mosp)How about what it really comes down to it !! When the car is for sale and has a Gold certificate saying so. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$ or without $$$$$$$$. Not saying this is you Les !!

[golfer]

Les
Just three points. First, the car was at the Barrett Jackson auction, not Russo Steele. I go to both and there is quite a difference. Thus, when you indicated with such certainty that you had been tracking this car for some time and you were so certain about the Russo Steele auction, I just assumed you must have had the car confused with another Shelby.

Second, I did not say that Worldwide removed parts, but that they were removed from a world-beating 66 Shelby before Worldwide took possesion. Worldwide had possesion of both my 69 Shelby and that 66 Shelby at the same time. Thus it seemed reasonable to me that folks had confused which car had parts removed.

Third, I know both the restorer and the gentleman who had my car restored. As I recall, both indicated it was the original drivetrain. This does not mean the Shelby registry is wrong. When the man purchased my car he may have found the original block sitting in the same garage. That happens. I simply don't know, nor can I explain how the VIN got on my engine in the correct spot and on a rough surface unless it is the original engine. However, I will call both tomorrow and report what I am told. I will never knowingly misrepresent a car.

Thanks for your help and guidance. Also, let me ask again, if you have any proof about parts being removed from my car, please let me know. I take such accusations very seriously, because I paid a lot for this car based on certain representations, and I expect those to be true.

Thanks again, I look forward to meetting you and seeing some of your incredible cars.
Chip Wright

[Les Quam]

Chip,
The car sold in Monterray on the date I previously discussed and for the amount I discussed. BJ doesn't have an auction in Monterrey(how do you spell that anyway). As I said the transaction from August of 2001 is on several different sights that track auctions and can be viewed immediately. I don't know whether it went to BJ before or after August of 2001 or when it went to world wide. But I also remember the car being sold at Monterray that August as well as having the auction database as a resource.

In regard to the block consider getting the date code off the block and compare it with the cars build date. IMHO you should have the date codes and part numbers for the block,heads,intake,carb,dist.,water pump, plug wires,dist. cap, radiator,exhaust,wheels,on your database for a car of this caliber. Whomever you bought it from should also have this information as well as the person who restored it. IMHO people prepared to pay 375K for the car are going to require this information before they buy the car.

The blocks date code should precede within three months the cars build date. From my experience VIN numbers on the block are only the starting point. Most probative to me is when the block was cast, because cast dates are impossible to replicate. My first inquiry on whether a block is factory original to the car is the cast date, then I look to see if the numbers match. If both check out I am satisfied that either it is original to the car or that someone went to a lot of effort to find a date code correct block and restamp it. In either case I am happy.

The shelby registry is invaluable as a resource and the way I read the history of your car in the registry the block has been replaced under warranty. The 69 SAAC registrar has all the warranty receipts for your car and for a small fee he will copy them and send them to you. You should IMHO also have those copies for a car of this caliber. I think the registars name is Vinny Liska he is a nice guy.

Therefore if you check the casting dates on your car and read the registry and contact the registrar for your warranty information the issue of whether the block is original will be resolved. As will the parts issue.

It was never my intention to disparage you or the car I never implied that you knowingly misrepresented the car. The car could be taken to any show today and win a concours gold and possibly a Thoroughbred and sell for a world record price simply because of what it is and the great quality of the restoration.

All of this is simply the process an owner goes through when selling a high dollar muscle car. Except at BJ where drunken millionaires buy anything that sounds loud and looks shiny and has the word HEMI attached to it somewhere. LOL

[ANDY M]

No disrespect intended to Les, lord knows that my memory isn't what it used to be, (blame it on the medication ), but Chip is correct about the auction. This car crossed the block at BJ in 2001, lot #694. http://www.barrett-jackson.com/aucti....asp?id=165843
It sold for $93,960.00.
I could find no record of this car on the Russo and Steele website.
I would like to find a stock that can appreciate like this.
As for the link that Chip put into his original post in this thread, is this the same car? I'm confused because of the selling price listed on that link.
http://www.atlantamusclecars.com./1969%2...20500%20LMC.htm
This seems to be an awful big jump in price, not that I could buy the car at any of the amounts listed.
I regret that I do have too much time on my hands.