69 Camaro Body in the Crate

[camarojoe]

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As an addendum, I find it interesting that the only thing anyone found fit to comment on was the 'snob' comment.

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...the parts that didn't fit on the original assembly lines got boxed up and sold as service parts. NOS is just that.

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Who told you that all NOS parts started out as production line parts that had defects??? Many NOS parts differ in construction from assembly line parts and are made after production of the actual car has ceased. I agree its better to base repro parts off of assembly line pieces than NOS pieces, but to say that NOS stuff is all second rate and reproduction stuff fits better is really a stretch...

[Xplantdad]

Nice signature line change, Joe...but it doesn't fit you...especially!

The Dynacorn rep could have said what he needed to say without any of the BS thrown in...after all he's representing a company on a public forum.

As an aside, I saw their covertible body displayed at Pavillions a few weekends ago...though I must admit that the representative that was there was infinitely more sociable and friendly...yes SHE was! The reproduction body looked good as well...though it had a custom (Fat Man?) frame underneath it...

[americanmusclecars]

On each body will be a serial number and will be stamped in several places. We will also stamp that serial number in a place not seen. If anybody suspect someone trying to pass off a Dynacorn body for an original they can contact us and we can tell them where to look. I dont think anyone is trying to take away anything from original Camaro's. Here at American Muscle Cars Inc we have seen many people destroy an original Z/28 or SS by doing the most insane modifications. I hope the Dynacorn Camaro will now take the place of modifying original cars and destroying there value. I beleive you will see Dynacorn Camaro's built as hot rods, G-machines and maybe even race cars. I dont think many people will build them as original Z/28 clones, SS, or even Super Car clones and pass them off as original cars but if they do and you suspect it we will certainly be there to help.

[camarojoe]

a few weeks ago when asked directly if you had something to gain by promoting these repop bodies and sheetmetal based on your defense of repro Dynacorn stuff, you replied:

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No. I do not have a vested interest in off shore panels. However I do have a interest in this project.

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Then today you post:

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On each body will be a serial number and will be stamped in several places. We will also stamp that serial number in a place not seen. If anybody suspect someone trying to pass off a Dynacorn body for an original they can contact us...

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So was that a line of B.S.??? Sounds to me like you DO indeed have a vested interest in offshore panels... and are in fact a part of the Dynacorn repop company. How about some honesty here guys.

[Dynacorn]

American Muscle Car Coachworks is an assembler of our Camaro bodies. In that vein he has an interest. Is he a member of our company? No. Any reference that our assemblers are a part of Dynacorn Classic Bodies is one fostered not by us. It was a very bad article in Hot Rod magazine last year that started all this hoopla. Had Primedia allowed us to market and announce this project the way we were intending, then this particular string would never have started. At least to this extent. The article written about the 'Crate Camaros' was, to say the least, full of misinformation and downright falsehoods. No one checked with us before printing the article and because of the way it was written, the turn key car business,and the whole car in a crate, GM came down on us like a ton of bricks and forced us into litigation of which we not only did not want, but cost everyone a bundle of cash. That is as honest as it gets.

[americanmusclecars]

Hey Joe. How is that BS? I have no interest in Dynacorn and have nothing to do with the tooling of body panels. I share in no profit at all from Dynacorn Inc. If I did, why wouldnt I be trying to push all that product on my web site I am a sub-contractor for Dynacorn Classic Bodies to weld Dynacorn Classic Bodies panels together and like I said" I do have interest in the project. Do have any idea how much OE approved spot welders are Yenko Joe? Do you no what it takes to build fixtures to weld these bodies together Yenko Joe?" So when did Yenko.net become the foundation of truth? I have read what some of you self proclaimed experts have wrote for years and have determined you probably never had a Camaro apart!If you trying question my integerty or honesty on some play of words why dont you email me from my web-site and not try to discredit me on this site.

[70 copo]

Guys this entire thread is getting a case of rot. Come on--anyone "in the know" would be able to pick out a body with significant patching, welding or repair work, before you buy it. With that said there are also some people who will be fooled.

The same with these Dynacorn bodies, Without the key fisher body date stamps in the sheet metal they are what they are.

I really doubt that someone buying a high dollar car that has been recreated back to that of say- a COPO, Z/28, or SS is going to get bit on one of these Dynacorn bodies, and if they do, well they deserve it, along with everything else that is faked and restamped these days....

Lets face it If the cars were not worth as much as they are we would not be having this thread and its discussion.

Frankly the Muscle car values we see today is a "bull market" that we have all collectively created through the sharp price increases in value of these cars over the past few years. This trend is currently nostalgia driven, and will eventually drop off and level out.

There is always an investment that looks great, but you gotta understand what it is that YOU are buying, and what YOU know about it that will make or break the value of the sale. Where there is money to be made there will always be crooks there to "hoodwink" the uninformed.

You can also "hoodwink" a guy by selling him a repaired rust bucket driver quality musclecar - that consists of a significantly repaired original body - much the same way. Lets say that this body that has had inners, outers, floors, quarters, rockers, outer tail, inner tail, entire trunk floor and rear frame replaced and all rewelded up by some one...(Who knows who-or his qualifications) Perhaps the firewall, Driveshaft tunnel and the inner rocker support beams are still original and correct. The concern then shifts to safety of the driver and its occupants being that the overall percentage of the original body that remains after the repair is so low.

Original factory tolerences and measurements Become a real concern in a repair job like this yet there WAS pieces of an original body there to start with. You might be able to use lots of undercoat and filler to cover all of this work up, but if it is a big dollar car and you are "in the know" you are gonna find this work.

You then make the decision to buy or not. Same thing with a Dynacorn body, the execption being that the Dynacorn body will be less likely to have a catastrophic weld failure which could cost you your life- after you decide to launch your rebuilt toy hard some saturday night.

I guess I am having a hard time understanding why this is such a big deal??

Phil

[Dynacorn]

Me too Phil.

[CJP_69]

Good post Phil. The reality is "buyer beware" and do your homework.

[Dynacorn]

Have any of you seen the car built by Year One? It isn't perfect, and was never intended to be, however, it is a darn good looking driver using one of our bodies. And, it was built by Year One employees to show that a normal guy with a little knowledge could build a pretty nice car for himself. As for turn key cars selling for $40,000.00 I have no clue. But to be honest, I think that would be way too low of a figure.