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Old 11-01-2005, 08:19 PM
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What was the point of this whole thing anyway?
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:01 PM
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What was the point of this whole thing anyway?

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I really can't even remember anymore.
I was just looking for more information about how COPO cars were made.
Since my car was the only one with no fleet code.
Thought it might mean something.

But after further investigation.
I have the regular F41 anti-sway bar.
My rearend gear is the standard 3:07 Posi, and my 406 block is correct, and dated properly.
I belive that the dash is more than just the blue nose stripe,
I truly think it still means Special something.
However, it meant different things at different times.

The dash is Special something - but no one knows for sure.
I think it reminded the production line guy to look at the paperwork to be sure of the special order.

On 8 of the 67 Yenkos it meant big engines.
On 6 cyl cars it meant power antenna, cup holder, or, maybe Zora Duntov's friend,
Harley Earl's mistress, or something equally weird.

On Pace Cars it likely just meant:
Be careful, and put this heap together better than you did
that last piece of junk we are pushing down the line.

Can't believe the Special paint had to be noted twice on the cowl tag.

so in reality, I fould NOTHING.

But that is just nothing YET - no reason to stop looking.
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Old 11-02-2005, 12:01 AM
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Maybe the guy making the tags was drunk and screwed it up
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Old 11-02-2005, 12:07 AM
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Although I like the drunk idea (which may be the actual reason?) another thought is maybe the special paint was noted twice as in upper/lower and the guy on the tag machine was maybe used to the upper/lower thing? ~ Pete
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As far as I know, the paint code is always listed 2x - once for top, once again for the bottom. So, the use of two dashes is nothing significant.
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The paint code on the festival Pace cars is 0-1. (special white, w/white top)
The dash is at the end of the 5th option group.
5BY-

It was long believed this was a special added blue stripe.
I don't think so. No reason for 2 paint remarks on the tag.
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So what motor is in the car....the original or not? . And if the original, what suffix is it? . Weren't you asking above if this was maybe a 427 conversion....and what Tach is in the car? ~ Pete
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Jeff, which dash are you refering to??? The one in the 5 group or some other location on the tag. Non festival cars only had two unique code on the tag, the fleet code (for ordering) and the dash in the 5 group, which we speculate may means blue nose stripe.

Non festival cars used the standard paint code designation of C-1, which designated white paint and white conv top( BTW the dash in the paint designation is on every 67 built. Nothing special, no reason to theorize ).

We also know all (festival and non festival)pace cars had a dash in the 5 group, and also had blue nose stripe.
We also know that if you ordered cars equipped identical (interior and exterior) to pace cars without the 5 group dash you received a black nose stripe. A good example was Brad McAdams L78 convertible that was thought to be a pace cars for years because it had a blue nose stripe without the 5group dash. Well when it was being restored, under the blue nose stripe they found the original black stripe(later found the originating dealer painted it to make it identical to a pace car for the customer). To my knowledge (as well as others including the ICC pace car registry)there has never been an example of a white 67 camaro with a blue nose stripe, except those with the 5group dash and of course on a pace car.

Regarding 67 Yenkos, NONE came from the factory with 427/big engines period. As far as the dash code on 67 Yenkos theory, never seen one with, it doubt it signified anything other than paint instructions.

If you are going to throw up these theories, it would be nice to know who is behind them, including facts and support documentation.

Regarding the possibility of your car having a 427 highly unlikely, and if it did it would have been a low horse. Remember no solid lifter was teamed with an auto until 1968 and that was through the COPO process for the 50 Gibb Novas cars.
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Default Re: Would this car be considerd a COPO

that dash at the bottom wouldnt mean for the car to get the pace car stickers would it?
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Default Re: Would this car be considerd a COPO

I was gone for a bit. To try to answer some of the questions:

On the 67 IPC documentation that I know of, nothing indicates that the IPC's were ordered as COPO's. The 'fleet code' does appear on the paperwork, which shows the cars were ordered thru the Central Office / Fleet & Special Order office as some type of special order. But no COPO number or other COPO indicator appears in the documentation.

There were actually 12 L35 Canadian IPC's. And at least three (including Jeff's) of those cars do not have a fleet code on the tag.

80055 is basically the dealer code for the Oshawa zone office. It does appear on other non-IPC cars. I'm not sure what GM of Canada says 80055 means now, but I recall seeing the definition vary.

All cars were built on the assembly line. There was no alternative off-line assembly process nor the room to do such.

I'm not a 67 Yenko expert, but none came from the factory as a 427. 69 was the first year for that.

I agree with Jeff, the 5 group dash probably just means 'special order - see instructions'. Normally seems to refer to paint. Has to be Fisher Body related since Chevy never looked at the tag.

Hope this helps...
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