Would this car be considerd a COPO - Page 4

Belair62 · #31 10-30-2005, 07:23 PM

Kind of interesting topic...Doesn't anyone have a buildsheet from a pacecar ? Do they list COPO numbers on them like the 427 cars and others ? ??? Phils spoiler has a COPO number...what do pacecars have ?

Jeff H · #32 10-30-2005, 11:20 PM

Back to the original question he asked, PacecarJeff, what makes you think the car could have been built as a COPO order? I see the 80055 special GM account but I don't think that wouldn't require a COPO order. I see the special paint code as well and I have no idea if special paint would generate a COPO order. I would think somebody with a 67 Pacecar with original window sticker might be able to help. I see a window sticker for a 69 Z28 in Jerry's book that also lists the 1001HA Special Paint but no reference to COPO. But then the 9561 isn't mentioned as a COPO on the window sticker either. Your best bet is to contact Jim Mattison to see what his thoughts are since he was there back in the day.

**Pacecarjeff** · #33 10-31-2005, 05:47 AM

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Back to the original question he asked, PacecarJeff, what makes you think the car could have been built as a COPO order? I see the 80055 special GM account but I don't think that wouldn't require a COPO order.

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First of all, I want to thank the people who have PM'd me with very helpfull info, and support. Otherwise I would have just dropped the whole thing and moved on.

A few things lead me to believe this car is a special order.

So far, EVERY one of the Canadian Pace cars cars has a fleet code on the trim tag, except mine.

The last part of my trim tag info has a dash: 5BY-,
That is the same as EVERY single one of the known 67 Yenko 427 Cars.

Additionally, I believe that the Special duty "festival" 67 IPC's went through the COPO process for high quality control. And many if not all of the 67 Pace "dash" Cars may have gone to speed shops like Gibb or Harrell to have their engines Blueprinted for performance, as well as their suspensions, and rear ends inspected or upgraded.

If nothing else they were all pulled off the production line to be built and inspected by hand.

And most importantly, some of the very special (special order) cars may have even had 427's installed instead of the 396's.

It is well known that Yenco was "secretly" getting 427's delivered right from the factory. 425hp's as well as 410hp automatics?

Why wouldn't a GM executive be able to do that too, right along with a fleet order. Or, maybe this car was the ONE that was supposed to go to A.J.

It is just strange that there was a Canadian fleet order for 20 cars, and then 1 more made with no fleet code?

These are the questions I have.
I am not trying to intercept the Supercar or COPO name.

I just have found some really weird things about my car, and wanted some help sorting it out.

I thought that is what this site is supposed to be about.
I have owned this car for a long time. I am not trying to sell the car or inflate it's value. just want to learn as much as I can.

I think this car may have some historical significance.
If not, then that is fine, I just find this stuff very interesting.

Jeff

camarojoe · #34 10-31-2005, 06:26 AM

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many if not all of the 67 Pace "dash" Cars may have gone to speed shops like Gibb or Harrell to have their engines Blueprinted for performance, as well as their suspensions, and rear ends inspected or upgraded.

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Are you saying Fred Gibb and Dick Harrell blueprinted 67 pace car engines and did suspension upgrades? If not, what shops "like" Gibb/Harrell did the upgrades? I didn't know this. A Dick Harrell prepared 67 pace car would be very cool, COPO or not.

Belair62 · #35 10-31-2005, 06:43 AM

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I think this car may have some historical significance

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Seems to me it already has historical significance...just being a pacecar...finding out and digging for the other stuff is what makes it even more interesting...If these cars could only talk...

Jeff H · #36 10-31-2005, 06:45 AM

I'm wondering where in paperwork you would find the COPO term mentioned. Do the 69 COPO 427 Canadian cars show the term COPO on the GM of Canada docs? I thought the "-" on the 67 Pace Car trim tags was to denote some sort of special paint(blue nose stripe). Thinking about this(and yes, this is a very informative thread) we know the 69 COPO's and the 68 COPO's exist, but has anyone ever seen a 67 Camaro COPO order? I'm sure they exist, but I can't think of any I've seen information about.

**Steve Shauger** · #37 10-31-2005, 06:49 AM

Jeff, I thought the dash code was speculated to be the blue nose stripe. Where did the special modified pace cars info come from (any documentation) or is this information pure speculation.

Why do you believe IPC's may have been copo'd as well as fleet coded. Is there a thread on the pace car site on this topic, because I would be interested in this subject.

**Pacecarjeff** · #38 10-31-2005, 07:24 AM

It was interesting to me that all the 67 Yenko 427's had the "dash" on their trim tag.
Couldn't belive that it was just a blue stripe.

Why would a 0-1 special paint car, need a second indicator to reflect a special paint accent.
Either it would have special paint or it wouldnt. The tag would't have to say it twice.

In 69 they used the -- "dash dash" to indicate the same thing. Either stripe delete, or special color.

I belive the the special -- paint code just made the paint operator look twice at the production order. kind of a double check thing. (It was special paint something - better check and see what it says.)

So if the Yenco cars all used the - in 67 to reflect the COPO engine modification, why wouldn't that mean the same thing with the Pace Cars?
None of the Yenko "dash" cars had special paint or trim.
Just Performance modifications.

At this point we don't even know for sure if the C-1 cars and the 0-1 cars were really the same color. Maybe they were different shades of white.

Chevrolet wanted to be sure there were no problems with their "Brand New Camaro", when the whole world was watching.

It only makes sense they would use all HiPo stuff for the Show cars. It is really too bad we don't have build sheets, cause that would solve the mystery.

**Steve Shauger** · #39 10-31-2005, 02:54 PM

67 Yenko cars were NOT copo cars. Most were SS350's with some of the later SS396 converted cars. Never heard of 67 beig copo's in anyform. Where did you uncover this info?

Here is my understanding on the pace cars:

0-1 was thought to be special prepared paint...possibly show finish. Only the festival cars have this designation.

The - in the 5 group was thought to be the non conforming blue nose stripe.

The above has not been definitively proven, but widely accepted.

The only pace cars that were specially prepped would be the the first two or three, that were used or backups to the actual pace car.

We seem to be going into the realm of stretching some facts. Please clarify your 67 Yenko info, one thing we don't want to do is spread incorrect information on this board as fact. Speculating is one thing stating it as fact is another...

**1967Z28** · #40 11-01-2005, 12:49 AM

Is it possible to see a picture of the cowl tag for the car in question? Neat, historical car regardless of whether it was ordered via the COPO system or not.

-Jon

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