1964 C2 Corvette old Motion Performance Custom

[Pantera]

I didn't mean to infer that it was a part put on a original hood. I don't know about your hood but here is a pic of my old race car. It had one that sure looks like the one on yours? This was a std Ecklers hood that they sold thousands of them, back in the '70's. This pic was about 1979.

I agree with you about the nose on your car. If you like it as a custom then that is what I was trying to convey to you to go for it.

If you think about it, those guys that bought the big $$$$ Motion cars years ago must have liked having something different and not just a restored stocker or they would not have bought it. I have always liked having something different that everybody else. I guess I am just weird that way. Or perhaps wired that way...? Hah.... (Beat you to it ED)

If I had your 64. I would just finish it as a custom. It is neat looking as is. One thing that I would do different is get the side f fender panels behind the wheels off a 67 and reverse them side for side. The louvers would then stick out instead of in and that is more like what Motion did with the '69's. I really think it would look kool on a mid year like yours. I never did like the look of the 64 side panels.


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[MosportGreen66]

I think you should do what you want to do with the car. I would like you to keep the 1970s style theme throughout the entire car. I like the Cragar idea and the side pipes too. Continue the theme with wild paint (check out last month's Hot Rod for ideas) and even go wild with the motor with some period correct valve covers and intake manifold. Wow just think how much fun you could have with some 50 series Mickey Thompson Indy Profile S/S raised white letter rears and black walls up front. Even some color spark plug wires and a gilter steering wheel. Don't forget your flex-flan! Then through your travels (if YOU so please) check into some authenic Motion Parts. Like a Phase III ignition box, valve covers if Cal Custom ain't your thing... the list could go on forever!

The issue with the two recent auction sales of Motion Modified Corvettes is that the majority of Corvette owners out there are purists and do not like to see their Corvettes modified regardless if it was done by Joel Rosen. I think a lot of people on this website would have spent more money than $95,000 for that blue convertible and $210,000 for the real Phase III car, I sure would have. So with this Corvette being YOURS and in need of a restoration, make it unique, make it fun, and drive the hell out of it!

[Belair62]

I'm with Whitetop...restore it as you found it with all the custome pieces....at the end of the day you have to take it out and have a ball in it.....and no offense Corvette guys but 64's are the stepchildren of the species....so if you restore it stock...it's not a high dollar car anyway...JMO

[Pantera]

You are so right about the '64's being the stepchildren of the Vette collectors. Nothing much exciting happend in '64 except the one piece back window on the coupe. lots of '63 split window cars got the '64 rear window update.

[Canucklehead]

Hey how about doing some lace work on it to give it that late 60's look?

[MosportGreen66]

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Nothing much exciting happend in '64 except the one piece back window on the coupe.

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Larry, while I do agree with your statement as the 1964 car is the step child of the MidYear Vette, there were significant changes made to the car. The chassis of a 1964 Corvette was changed greatly to accomidate the use of use mounted exhaust. While there are no documented 1964 Corvettes to be found yet, it certainly is possible that they exsist.

[olredalert]

-------It is a documented fact that production sidepipe Corvettes were not made until after January 1 of 1965. As a matter of fact the needed change to the frame to accomodate sidepipes was a running change during the fall of 64 after 65s were released. You can look up the actual dates in the 1965 assembly manual. I as well as many others have and have had early 65s without the sidepipe slots in the siderails. There is a 65 in Texas (if it hasnt been sold) that has one framerail with the slot and one framerail without. It probably was not the only one so configured. The jury is out as to weather all the drum-brake equipped 65s had non slot framerails as they basicly used 64 frames, but to date I have never seen a drumbrake 1965 Corvette that came from the factory with sidepipes.
-------Since I had seen 65 sales catalogs and knew that sidepipes were coming I was really on the lookout for them. The first set I actually saw was at Sebring in 1965, and it wasnt complete as one cover was missing, so it must have been converted. Shortly after that sighting they appeared on just about any Vette with more than 300hp. Hope this helps..........Bill S

[MosportGreen66]

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-------It is a documented fact that production sidepipe Corvettes were not made until after January 1 of 1965. As a matter of fact the needed change to the frame to accomodate sidepipes was a running change during the fall of 64 after 65s were released. You can look up the actual dates in the 1965 assembly manual. I as well as many others have and have had early 65s without the sidepipe slots in the siderails. There is a 65 in Texas (if it hasnt been sold) that has one framerail with the slot and one framerail without. It probably was not the only one so configured. The jury is out as to weather all the drum-brake equipped 65s had non slot framerails as they basicly used 64 frames, but to date I have never seen a drumbrake 1965 Corvette that came from the factory with sidepipes.
-------Since I had seen 65 sales catalogs and knew that sidepipes were coming I was really on the lookout for them. The first set I actually saw was at Sebring in 1965, and it wasnt complete as one cover was missing, so it must have been converted. Shortly after that sighting they appeared on just about any Vette with more than 300hp. Hope this helps..........Bill S

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I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification Bill.

[Pantera]

I have a set of factory sidepipes I put on my S/N 11, '65 vette and have no clearance problems? They just bolted on.

I thought they only put a mounting hole in the later frames?


BTW:Mine is posably the first '65 actually delivered from the factory with disk brakes. Most of the first few were drum brake equipped.

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[Pantera]

Not sure what you are saying about the early midyrear frames.

The basic frames on these cars are prety much the same as far as I know. The factory sidepipe cars have the same frames as all the rest. The factory sidepipes are a bolt one that come out under the frame and are hidden behind a different rocker panel.

I have swapped them many times years ago with outhaving to modify the frame.

To my knowledge the frames are almost exactly the same up till 68. They only changed the body mount locations then. In 69 they had to put a couple of braces at the rear to trianglate the rear crossmember to make the frames stronger to handle the higher HP motors that were becoming more common.


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