Nice car, but so much wrong

[JoeG]

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I know I'm gonna get killed for this but it has bothered me for a long time so here goes. My opinion and maybe only mine is that Baldwin Motion cars are junk. Frank [/quote ]

Gee Frank feeling better now.........???

[LVCamaro]

I'm with you, Joe. Joel R is a friend of mine and it frustrates me to see this debate on the WWW. Joel's creations may not be for everyone, but that doesn't open the door for such brash disrespect for a living legend, IMO. PM me if you want Joel's E numbers, phone numbers, addy...or does that require something your keyboard can't hatch?

SS

[camarojoe]

I agree LV.. Discussion of a car for sale is one thing, but to bash someone's efforts or reputation , (be it a personal opinion or otherwise) in a public forum seems to not be too productive or beneficial to the hobby.

[Charley Lillard]

Frank I gotta disagree. When I looked over the 80 Motion Camaro I had I was amazed by the extra steps Motion took when I think they could have fudged instead. Stuff like two holley fuel pumps. The second one turning on by micro switch when under full throttle with the Nitrous on. The Chrysler Liberty 4 speed versus just leaving a muncie in. The electric fan in front of the radiator in addition to the regular fan. The electric one was controlled by a capillary tube inserted under the upper radiator hose where it attaches to the radiator. The list went on and on. Yes any speed shop could do that also but it was done by Motion. You could bitch at Yenko for doing nothing more that hiring kids to apply stripes on Deuces or just adding stripes to COPO cars. I think Motion should also be commended for the wild and cool looks they did to alot of their cars. Your bashing seems pretty harsh for what appears to be based on exposure to two cars. As for drag racing, maybe some can chime in on what they accomplished.

[JChlupsa]

Have to agree with LV/Charley and a few others and say Joel was at the forefront of building up any Muscle car and I would love to have one. Matter of fact there were a few here in Hawaii to include the Ribbon Car but thats been cubed and now sitting about 3 miles off shore and at about 1200FT (According to the last owners son who said that car and a bunch of parts were hauled off by a new home owner that bought a house and wanted the place cleaned out!!!)

As for NHRA Records:

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<font color="brown">Dennis Ferrara's
"Motion Performance"
70 Camaro A/MP
In the early 70's Dennis drove this car
to hold NHRA national records
13 different times.
As an A/MP car weighing in at a hefty 3024 lbs, it
ran 9.30 at 140mph.
This 430 ci Rat motored car was unbeaten in
class for 3 years straight !!
Ertl reproduced this car as it was raced in the 70's
tunnel ram intake w/ 2 4bbl carbs, racing headers,
hood scoop, slicks on Centerlines, </font>

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[whitetop]

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Also people like to say how fast Joel Rosen's cars went. Why did he only run AHRA and not NHRA?

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Why not run Nhra? I think the local tracks were affiliated with AHRA. Suffolk County was AHRA. And I believe the Hamptons on Long Island may have been also. Not sure about New York International. No one knows the exact reason Joel did not run the national nhra circuit. I don't think he even ran the AHRA circuit out of his area for that matter. Joel probably felt he did not have to. I would say the majority of his cars sold or were converted to people in the immediate surrounding states.

BTW: The New York mags that heavily promoted Motion (other than HiPerformance Cars) were just that, regional mags that portrayed the New York scene. Every car ever featured or show coverage was from one of the New York burroughs it seemed like. Up until ebay and the internet I met people out of other regions of the country who had never heard of Hot Cars, Rodding &amp; Super Stock, Super Street Cars, Chevy Power and Chevy Action.

[Pantera]

Heck you should ad Motion performance to that list. I have had my cars for so many years and never mentioned them to people. When I did they would look at you kinda dumb and say "whats that". Very seldom nowadays do I find anyone that even knows what a Motion is. And when I do they usually think they are all "Baldwin Motion's". I usually don't try to inform them of what the difference is.


Pantera