Continued discussion: 70z

**MosportGreen66** · #1 02-22-2005, 10:29 PM

After hearing this fabrication it does not take away from the car, it takes away from MCR!

**DaveC68** · #2 02-22-2005, 10:30 PM

okay...is there a link anywhere to the MCR article or can anyone scan and post it.
I know Harry Lutz and remember the car...never quite understood him selling it

I think his wife races a 20-30k mile 73 Z now, unless he's sold it too.
Great car!

**Charley Lillard** · #3 02-22-2005, 10:31 PM

So the 60K question is where did the strickler -jenkins story come from ? Don..Who built the engine in 72 ?

**hvychev** · #4 02-22-2005, 10:32 PM

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After hearing this fabrication it does not take away from the car, it takes away from MCR!

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Mossport Muscle Car Review does not own these cars and make up the stories, the current owners give them the info.

Moderators, this subject HAS to be gotten to the bottom of. Maybe so we don't RUIN George Lyons GOOD thread we can move the posts associated to this mess to a new thread. I am sure that this topic is going to get legnthy.

**Paul_S** · #5 02-22-2005, 10:34 PM

Yeah, good point. -Move all of this talk to it's own thread.

Well, that Z is a great car and probably does run like stink as we're told. So, it really is a low mile car that needed..what? -a few soft parts, correct details, clean-up and detailed throughout? More? As said above, how did this told history get in the mix and what is the cars background? Was it just a nice car that was locked-up for a long time or an early modified runner or...?

Paul

Rat_Pack · #6 02-22-2005, 10:36 PM

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So the 60K question is where did the strickler -jenkins story come from ?

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Charley, that story came directly from the original owner in a phone interview with Geoff Stunkard. So s far as the article goes it is all true. The car still sported its original paint, interior, and trunk but the engine compartment and under carriage had been cleaned and detailed. That still did not detract from the original low miles and how neat of a car it is.

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You have got to be $hittin me! That story was all a load of BS? Are the people that spin these storys that stupid as to think there lies will never catch up with them? I am SOOOOOO tired of the LIARS in this hobby!

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Frank, there are a lot of liars and scam artists out there but you do not know the story behind this car. It is only hearsay. Nobody "spun" the story around to make it sound better or to increase the value of the car. Are you willing to tell the original owner who spoke to the author of the article that he is a liar? If so, can you substantiate that claim other than what Don states? Everyone now knows that Don did not sell an unrestored 70-1/2 Z28, and neither did the next guy. But for all intents and purposes the car has an unrestored interior, paint, (other than some resprayed lower 1/4's and why would you do that on a car that only has 3600 miles, maybe burnout "rash" from drag racing?), and original unrestored trunk. I do not know what the previous owner told the current owner when it was sold but if he relayed the same information as to what was in the article then to me the lies stopped at that point. I know I haven't kept anything secret as to what has been done to the car. Hell the article even mentioned that we got caught in a down pour! I couldn't hide that from Pat

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I agree that this topic from Mikes post on needs to be moved as it could get longer, maybe.......RatPack.......

mc25t190 · #7 02-23-2005, 12:29 AM

Geoff Stunkard talked to the original owner of the car before he published the article. I bought the car because it had 3600 miles and reminded much of the same type of restoration that was done to my former yellow Yenko that i got from Bryan. Don white did a great job and should have been mentioned in the article, i thought. I don't think Geoff Stunkard knew Don. Geoff couldn't dream up such a story. The only thing i really car about is what Don said aout it being a real 3600 mile running SOB.It must have some legitimacy as Don and Patrick have wanted to buy it back. I enjoy the car and could not find a better example of a 70 1/2 car whether the history is clearly defined or not. Mike i just responded to Bob's post of the cars i owned and described the car as it was sold to me by Patrick Joyner who got it from Kenny Pascoe who got it from Don. Who care's? Don you did a great job on the car and Geoff did a great article based on his conversation with the original owner . I do have the build sheet, Signed affidavit by original owner John P Bogacki jr.,notarized with protect o plate still attached to warranty book, sold from Lanzalotti Motor Co., Williamstown, N.J., and i have also spoken to the original owner and confirmed the history of which i was told and read in MCR. I can only go by what i was told. If this story was made up then i agree with Troy. I never expected a post that asks me about my current cars to go south. Let's just move forward, positively. I don't care, I LOVE the car!

DaJudge · #8 02-23-2005, 02:44 AM

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Everyone now knows that Don did not sell an unrestored 70-1/2 Z28, and neither did the next guy.

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I was the next guy and I never sold the car as totally unrestored, nor did Don to me as I saw it in it's various stages of detailing. When I sold it to Gary Baker I represented the car as a low mileage car, with original paint and interior. I also stated that the engine was gone through by the previous owner (Don) to make sure everything was in order after sitting for years and that other areas were detailed as well. The car was raced at ATCO and Front Street as the story states. As far as the other story is concerned I really don't care whether it is true or not, it is a great low mileage example of a 70 Z-28.

etracer15 · #9 02-23-2005, 05:13 AM

It's been brought to my attention by DaveC68 that discussion is occuring. Let me set the record straight! We looked at the car a year before I bought it under a cover. When I went back to look at the car again it was in a small garage. After looking at the car there was mice living under the hood, it had numerous dents, dings and scratches on the paint. After purchasing the car, I fixed the gas lines that leaked, put a full exhaust on since that was a missing component of the car. After getting the car running and racing it a few times at Atco, the car ran well but I wanted something for my lovely wife to drive on the street. When I sold the car to Don as far as I know he did the restoration on the car. It really did have approx.3000 miles. I still have the my original photos of the car as I raced it and drove it (with WELD wheels). So Iwas the one that found it and sold it to Don and the rest is history. But there was never mentioned about Jenkins having had anything to do with this car when I bought it.

**Mr70** · #10 02-23-2005, 07:02 AM

"I still have the my original photos of the car as I raced it and drove it (with WELD wheels)".

Can we see any of those old pix taken by either Harry L. or Dajudge?

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