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Old 01-02-2005, 09:13 PM
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Steve, I'm not a lawyer, but have been a detective in a big city and a PI for about 40 years total. If the guy who sells the car with the trim tag that he knows didn't belong to the car, (and it can be proven) and he represents it to be what the trim tag indicates, that's criminal fraud as well as civil fraud. I know of a 69 Camaro six cylinder that ended up as a 396 SS. The seller is the one who misrepresented the car and was sued in civil court. I really don't understand why it is legal for these people to make and sell trim tags. I know GM has taken action to stop companies who make decals, and other identifiable GM parts without being licensed to do so. And trim tags are most likely being bought for less that honest reasons. Just my opinion. Ken
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Old 01-02-2005, 09:20 PM
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If a 6 cylinder ended up as an SS396, then the VIN must have been swapped out and that's why that may have ended up in court. The VIN shows 6 or 8 cyl.
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Old 01-02-2005, 09:26 PM
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Jonesy, I imagine you're right about the vin being changed also, either that or the buyer was not Knowledgeable. Ken
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Old 01-02-2005, 09:52 PM
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KENHAM, You're quite right. It also qualifies for Federal Criminal prosecution if it involves VIN fraud. Especially if it is a high dollar car and would make for a good example to show the public. The seller can also be sued in Federal Civil court for money damages if the buyer is in one state and the seller is in another.
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Old 01-02-2005, 09:57 PM
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Steve, wouldn't GM have some responsibility if it was brought to their attention that the trim tags were being used to defraud buyers and they didn't take action to stop their production, or license their procuction?
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Old 01-04-2005, 09:36 PM
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Steve, wouldn't GM have some responsibility if it was brought to their attention that the trim tags were being used to defraud buyers and they didn't take action to stop their production, or license their procuction?

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Absolutely not. GM is not responsible for the illegal actions of another. Should GM be sued by every homeowner every time a drunk driver plows his Suburban into the homeowner's tree?
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