Petition GM for all GM car info ???

Pantera · #1 12-25-2004, 10:31 PM

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there are 10 times the amount of GTOs out there than were ever built by Pontiac. It makes the 50,000 fake 69 Z28s out there seem insignificant by comparison.

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That is the best laugh I have had today. I was thinking there was only 40,000 fake Z-28's but who's counting??? I know one thing though. I would love to be a fly on the wall when GM did ever post the truth for all to read. Man would there be a mass exidous out of town for a bunch of guys before they got shot by some of the people they scamed.

Pantera

TDW · #2 12-25-2004, 11:37 PM

Does anyone on the Board here know Jim Mattison? Seems like he would be the person to talk to. The way I understand it, he has already put lots of time in this. Possibly he could recomend a direction to go in. Get his thoughts on a petiton doing any good.

Pantera · #3 12-26-2004, 12:02 AM

He is one that I do want to chat with about this if anybody has a email address for him please email me with the info.

Pantera

sYc · #4 12-26-2004, 12:18 AM

Neither GM nor the PBS is libel for what happens, and have never been to court. You see, the PHS paperwork you receive is a legal document, thus stands on its own merits. This according to Jim Mattison.

**njsteve** · #5 12-26-2004, 03:34 AM

Jim is quite correct, as the document falls under the "Business Records" exception to the hearsay rule. If someone was to sue a prior seller for a bogus car, they would simply place the PHS sheet into evidence as it is an official record of GM. No one at GM gets called as a party to the lawsuit.

hugger_69 · #6 12-26-2004, 07:02 AM

Steve,

I can appreciate that, but here is where my point of reference lays. If GM does in fact have records of the builds where they have claimed along that they don't, doesn't that open them up to the following suit. A guy files claim against GM stating that GM could have released these documents years earlier and prevented him from buying a car that he thought was a real Copo? Couldn't they argue that had GM released that info years earlier that it could very well have prevented a lot of misrepresented deals. Doesn't this give merit to a lawsuit against GM?

**Steve Shauger** · #7 12-26-2004, 07:16 AM

That point is only valid if in fact they have the records. No one has gone on record to say the absolutely have the records. Just alot of "seems like" or "believe they have". Just speculation at this point...

**njsteve** · #8 12-26-2004, 05:47 PM

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Steve,

I can appreciate that, but here is where my point of reference lays. If GM does in fact have records of the builds where they have claimed along that they don't, doesn't that open them up to the following suit. A guy files claim against GM stating that GM could have released these documents years earlier and prevented him from buying a car that he thought was a real Copo? Couldn't they argue that had GM released that info years earlier that it could very well have prevented a lot of misrepresented deals. Doesn't this give merit to a lawsuit against GM?

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No, it would be thrown out. Unfortunately in our wonderfully litigious society most people seem to believe the following mantra: "It's never my fault, who can I sue?". You cant sue GM for not preventing you from getting ripped off. The responsibility is on the buyer, absent total misrepresentation, to verify what he's got. Didnt we all see the Brady Bunch episode on "Caveat Emptor"? where Greg buys the 57 Chevy????

for $350 and gets ripped off.

I equate these lawsuits to the "Wrongful Life" lawsuits. You're probably familiar with "Wrongful Death" where someone rightfully sues another person, like a drunk driver for killing their family member. Well, in wrongful life lawsuits, they sue the doctor for allowing their "defective" child to be born claiming: if I had known the child would have had this defect, I would have aborted him. You have people suing for all sorts of defects like brain damage, birth defects, attention deficit disorder, failure to clean up their rooms, etc. But who's to blame? Are you really going to try to make a doctor pay for letting your child exist? .....Are you going to make GM pay for letting you buy a "birth defective" car? And where does it stop? Do you sue for the car having the wrong shade of green on it now, versus what is was built with? Rallye green vs. British racing Green?

Just thought I'd start y'all on a nice slippery slope.

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