Petition GM for all GM car info ???

[DarrenX33]

No brainer.

[Hylton]

I'm in. Larry I will PM you with respect to my connection within GM North America (very high up) and how we can possibly leverage it.

I believe one important key here is to also demonstrate our current commitment to the company i.e.(our daily drivers). If they are approached by a bunch of guys with old cars, it would be hard for them to understand how they can make money from this endevor.

[DarrenX33]

Hmm. Daily driver? Sorry to say I am not driving a Chevy. Look at their website. Yuck! All the more reason they need to hear from us. JMO.

[Hylton]

It doesn't have to be a Chevy. Any GM product will do. The key is for them to understand that we are people who make them money.

[Jeff H]

I'd pay for any records they had on my car. Heck, I'd volunteer to help organize the data if they needed it. This is for the best interest of the hobby!

[Hylton]

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I'd pay for any records they had on my car. Heck, I'd volunteer to help organize the data if they needed it. This is for the best interest of the hobby!

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That's the problem. It must be in the best interest of GM or at least approached in that manner.

[John]

...I agree with Hylton..
...WHAT IF...included in the petition we all offered to convince (5) people within the next year to purchase a GM automobile!!
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just say we get ...what ....100,000 ...200,000 signatures
...Do you think that having 200,000 additional salesman out in the local neighborhoods talking up the GM products would make a difference?...I Do.
..What would be the additional profit they would make if they sold 800,000 to 1,000,000 more cars next year?
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...and GM...if your reading this ...sit down and run the numbers yourself behind closed doors
....this could be a whole new advertizing campaign...
...but what do I know ....I'm "just a salesman".

[whitetop]

Pantera and others (except Camarojoe who is also a realist like me)
You might want to spend some time on another noble enduever. GM could probaly care less about these records that effect .000000000000000001% or less of their market. They are losing hundreds of millions of dollars per year. They now have only 24.8% market share and will be overtaken by Toyota next year as #1 seller of cars/trucks in the US.

GM just released a report 2 days ago they are are planning to sell 95,000 FEWER vehicles in first qtr 05 than what they did in first qtr 04. Probbaly one reason why their stock just took a dive in the last few days when just about everyone else is up.

GM sold bonds several years back to help fund their losses on their pensions plans that are just plain hemmorghing(sic). The SEC announced severla months ago they are now going to list them in the junk bond category. This company is in bad shape.

BTW, Ford sold off every bit of old parts tooling to a private company several years back and said it was not worth their effort to sell them as the profit was miniscule part of their daily operations. One of the mustang mags reported that Ford actually lost money selling old parts as the cost to keep up the sytem was more than the profits.

If GM was in the black you might get something done.

[Salvatore]

WOW Dave, You and Joe really got it down pat! Could not have said it any better than those two guys. GM is hanging on almost for dear life and they are going to do something to help the hobby? t in my life time. I don't even like their cars anymore. How about just giving us an SS truck to compete??

[JBB]

I think it would be great to have GM info, but lets look at the big picture. If those documents were released to the public, are we aware how many fraudulent vehicles would be found and how many law suits would be started due to that information? And that could bring suits against G.M. for not releasing the information sooner (possibly, I am not a Lawyer) Not to mention the fact that a percentage of reproduction car parts are sold with the intent (knowingly or not) of people making cars to suit their tastes, and or to misrepresent vehicles as a different car (R/S to Z28 or SS 396 to a COPO ect. I spoke to a legal person at Chevrolet (name withheld) and they stated off the record we will never see those build lists. There is way to much money involved in aftermarket parts and such,
so consequently I don't think it will never happen.......Joel