High 69 Z-28 cross ram prices coming to an end??

[Jeff H]

Not really Phil. Several crossram setups were recently only bid up to around $15K which did not meet their reserves and this was before the repo crossram was out. There were a few people willing to pay the $21,000 for a setup(which still seems crazy) but once that group all had crossrams the prices were bound to drop. This recent auction had mismatched carbs and the lower manifold had no casting # so it definitely hurt the value of the deal. But I don't think you'll be seeing too many people paying $20K for a complete setup unless it's truly NOS and mint condition. I think the GM setups will still be going for $12-15K and the repos with the incorrect repo carbs will probably be lucky to get $5K. But that's just my opinion. I wonder if the news of the repo's coming out made some people want a real GM setup before the repos appeared so there would be no confusion and that might have caused the spike in the market. Remember, it's not the price of the part that matters to some people, it's the fact that it's a genuine GM part which will dictate the price.

[Canucklehead]

So if a guy was to buy a car with the real x-ram set-up on it and replace it with the repo piece, does that mean that his car is now worth 20K less?. So now he can sell the original for 20K!!!. I would think the car will still fetch a good price, but not 20k less.

[Jeff H]

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So if a guy was to buy a car with the real x-ram set-up on it and replace it with the repo piece, does that mean that his car is now worth 20K less?. So now he can sell the original for 20K!!!. I would think the car will still fetch a good price, but not 20k less.

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Where did you come up with those numbers, they make no sense at all? If you took a $20K part off the car and put a $5K part back on, why would it lose $20K in value? And if it really did, why would you waste $5K putting the repo back on it then? Only time will tell what is going to happen with the prices, but I just can't see the crossram market being that big even if the repos sell for $5K or less. I mean, how many guys are really paying $1500 for a pair of NOS GM door sill plates?

[Steve Shauger]

Jeff, keep mentioning the $1500 sill plates... that was a made up sale on ebay. And not the norm, as it was a one time occurrence and it was bogus transaction.

[Salvatore]

Not sure about 1500 ones, but i did see a set maybe 2 years ago go for 2800. Crazy but true. Ask Jerry MacNeish what he got for a set of rare 69 Z/28 factory headers.

[70 copo]

Yes I know. Larry C. from Colorado just started Reproducing Perfect factory 302 header Knock offs from all three years-67, 68, and 69. $1500.00 per pair.

Jeff I respect your opinion-but on the X rams-I stand by my opinion there. I think we all agree they are are down in value.

Now market forces are now in control- because they are now available again. How low they go depends on the quality of the reproductions and how many flood the market, are installed, and then removed for resale.

The next test will be to see if the Knock off's change the value of these X-ram cars at Auction? Scottsdale is not too far off. We will see.

Phil

[camarojoe]

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Remember, it's not the price of the part that matters to some people, it's the fact that it's a genuine GM part which will dictate the price.

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I agree 100%, if the fact people can load yet another repro part onto their car for cheap makes them happy, so be it, but true NOS pieces (not put-together, parts missing, etc. setups like the one in question) will continue to command top buck from the purists... I never did see cross ram setups changing hands by the dozen at 20K+, now OR before the repro stuff was being made, that was one or two guys who fought over a beyond the oridinary, totally perfect and NOS setup. As was stated, once these select few got what they wanted, the prices settled back down... when someone else decides they "have to have" an NOS GM crossram, the price will likely spike again. I personally think it would be easier to sell an NOS GM setup for 20k than it would be to sell a "brand new" totally fake, reproduction setup for 5k. JMO.

[JChlupsa]

Agreed Joe, Its the GM/Winters marks that bring out the prices.

[Jeff H]

Joe, there were several setups that sold on Ebay for $20-22K so it wasn't a single occurance.

Phil, I'm not arguing that crossram prices will come down and haven't already come down. I totally agree that they will not stay at $20K and we are already seeing that. But I think they will stay in the $12-15K range for real GM setups and the repos will sell for around $5K IMO.

The crazy thing about some of the NOS parts is that they don't look or fit like the original assembly line parts but people will still pay top dollar to keep their car all GM. That is part of the challenge in restoring a car.

[Belair62]

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an NOS unit

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A complete NOS Crossram set-up is few and far between...IMO there could be a thousand repops on the market but a true NOS complete set-up is going to bring the money....wonder what a complete NOS BE 4 series posi unit would bring and you can't even see that part?? If someone wants the absolute best stuff on the market and want to pay up for it...more power to them...