High 69 Z-28 cross ram prices coming to an end??

[Mark_C]

No, but since that manifold is a Offenhauser intake that has been machined to look like a Cross Ram intake (count the Bolts in the cover) it means that some bidders are becoming a little mote educated about what they are buying.

Hope whoever owns the winters foundary marking isn't too upset that someone is using it on counterfeit parts.

[Mr70]

I believe that seller is Joe at The Parts Place here in Elburn Illinois.

[70 copo]

The picture used in the first post was taken at BJ west palm in April 04, and this is the same car.

As I recall car sold for $110K Same guy who has been selling these at BJ the last few years.

Seller did not disclose that it was Offy. In fact he told me that he had it - and several others made "special" for him at a foundary.

No Mfg markings = is an attempt to deceive. As the printed material associated with the sale carefully tip toed around the manifold details- other that to state that the car was equipped with the "Ultra-Rare Cross Ram".

If they (the bidders) are paying over $100K for a car with a fake- then who is really figuring this all out??

Phil

[Salvatore]

I think the cross ram deal will be a phase. When they are available and within most peoples price range there will be many takers. As time goes on and they find themselves on just average cars, those guys that own those cars will be taking them off. Most people arn't really able to set them up and make them run very well. They will be getting sick of them and will be looking for their single 4 barrel carb to put back on. Same thing happened with the old F.I. on the vettes and 57 chevies. Average guys couldn't get them to work and they were trading them with money for the single quad. If I remember correctly there were at least 3-4 X-ram cars at Super Chevy at Maple Grove this year. The cars were not really even that nice. Kerry Stanleys is really the only one I ever saw that is efficient. Why would you want to slow a car down that is already a little timid? Sam

[njcrossramjeffm]

I don't see the phase thing at all I still think they have plenty of up side left in the value of a original piece with old dated on carbs. repro is crap and will always be looked down on. the current flood of 4295 holley's on ebay are the recently re-released version a large carb vendor form down south commissioned holley to do. you'll be seeing many of the good list# holley's popping up soon nos with old dates (buyer beware).I will make a bold prediction an say that a crossram car will be the highest of all record setting priced camaro's in the future. The AL M 68z convertible or one of the penske trans am cars (probably the 69 championship car) expect to see the million dollar mark if the market stays on the same track it's been on the last couple of years. I see that inturn influencing the value of the rest of the z28's with real gm crossrams especially ones with gm jl8's.
As far as tuning my car my crossram car has same jetting specs as Kerry's car much leaner than oem,my power valves are higher # than his due to different cam, and looser valve setting's had a noticeable effect on starting ease. I kinda like the fact that the guys that don't know how to tune a holley don't like the setup. sorta weeds out the poser's.
As far as drivability you could take my car or Kerry's coast to coast without a second thought. make sure you bring your shell gold card though.
The sound is different when your foots in the gas too, make more of who's your daddy kind'a roar, sounds like it's trying to suck you hood down through the carbs worth all the money just to listen to it through chambered exhaust don't think i turned the radio on since i put the setup on and who ever says they slow a timid motor down hasn't been in one. midrange and top end are a dramatic improvement. go to a vintage trans am you will see the 2x4 cars noticeably outpull the single 4 barrel cars. I'll never forget the first time I saw the old penske crossram camaros 67 68 and 69 car vintage race at Watkins glenn impressive power. but the best was at the Monterey classic a couple of years back live on the speed channel when I think it was pat ryan in his crossram car running in second on the last lap last corner when he snuck alongside the the mustang leading the race.then in a flat out drag race to the checker stomped the mustang by a car length. in a post race interview pats comment was (with a ear to ear grin) "a finish like that just goes to show you two for barrels are better than one"
CROSSRAM $20,000... EMBARRASSING A FORD LIVE ON NATIONAL TV.... PRICELESS!

[Charley Lillard]

The AL M 68z convertible does not have a crossram on it, just a aircleaner. I'll sell my Crossram for 20K but I think that window has closed.

[juliosz]

Charlie,
When I saw the 68 Z convertible at the Kruse auction in Auburn (labor day weekend) it had a cross ram setup on it.

[Charley Lillard]

No..all that was there was a crossram air cleaner. If you look closely you will see 3 carb studs. The center one is attaching it to the single 4bbl carb.

[Salvatore]

You may be right my man. We will just have to see. They do look great with the hood open!

[Jeff H]

I'm wondering if the $20K crossram price was a spike in the market or not. But the flood of new Holley 4295's might help run the price back up on original carbs. The repro crossrams will find a market in people who could never afford the $20K for the GM piece, but that will probably keep the GM prices up as well. Who knows, I thought $5K for a complete GM setup was ridiculous money.