67 B-M Camaro

[427TJ]

Maybe they're Corvette seats? No, perhaps they're ultra-rare Phase III seats! Yeah, that's it!

I think we're going to have to classify this car as a real rarity.

Instead of starting with a factory 396 Camaro (clearly too expensive), Motion went with the lo-buck 327 car to save money and the hassle of removing the SS gas cap and fender SS emblems. Then they swapped in a complete driveline front to back (cheaper than just swapping a 396 for a 427), put "Impala" 427 emblems on it and went racing. They must have known that in 37 years there'd be guys analyzing photos of the car as if it were the Zapruder* film. "Frame 134 clearly shows the emblems as having come from a '66 Impala."

(*Abraham Zapruder was the fellow who got JFK's assasination on film.) (JFK was John F. Kennedy.) (He was the president from 1960-63.) (Yes, of the United States.)

Okay, okay, I'm just kidding around--not trying to "flame" anyone. Someone on this forum must be in contact with Mr. Rosen. Perhaps he can be asked about this "mystery" Camaro.

Oh, and Oswald acted alone. (In my opinion.)

[Supercar_Kid]

[ QUOTE ]
Instead of starting with a factory 396 Camaro (clearly too expensive), Motion went with the lo-buck 327 car to save money and the hassle of removing the SS gas cap and fender SS emblems. Then they swapped in a complete driveline front to back (cheaper than just swapping a 396 for a 427), put "Impala" 427 emblems on it and went racing.

[/ QUOTE ] Or...let's pay extra money for an SS396 car, yank the 396 entirely, unless we really spend the money and go for an L-78 car where we can at least save the heads, intake and carb. Then let's remove all signs of it being an SS, yank the fender badges, sand off the bumblebee stripe, paint the tail light panel body color, pitch the gas cap and replace it with a standard unit, replace the 396 flags with 427 ones, drop a 427 short block in it, bolt all the old top end stuff back in and then call it an "SS427." It just doesn't make any sense, and they hardly had to swap the "complete driveline" IMO. 12 bolt was already there, M20 4-speed was there, and the 427 would plop right down in there on the small block frame mounts (it would sit a smidge higher but I doubt they'd care) and with the stock heater box/core in place assuming they even hooked the heater back up in a drag car. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and speculation is all we have at this point, but I've yet to hear a convincing argument as to why this car was anything but an L30/M20 car at best when it left the lot. Maybe there was an SS396 car there that day, but it must have been hiding behind the grassy knoll.

[hvychev]

LOL! Well said Kid!

[JoeG]

I went behind the Grassy Knoll and asked Joel for some info on the car since it intrigued some folks---"The car was originally a gold color they painted it white and he says
" He thinks it was a 396"-----Thanks Joel

[Zedder]

The special order paint '67 Z was Tangier Orange and it is alive and well...

[427TJ]

"I went behind the Grassy Knoll and asked Joel for some info on the car since it intrigued some folks---"The car was originally a gold color they painted it white and he says
" He thinks it was a 396"-----Thanks Joel"

Well said Mr. Rosen.

But Joel Rosen must be wrong too. Hey Kid, why don't you tell your argument to him? If you're nice to him maybe he'll let you pose for a picture!

I think it's common knowledge that Motion would start with new L-78* cars, remove the 396 and sell it over the counter, then complete the 427 conversion to Phase I, II, or III standards. At least that's what I've read in several magazines from those days. BUT, I could be wrong.

*Early 1967 Camaro SS "Supercar" conversions were made from 350 cars before the 396 became available.

[Supercar_Kid]

I wasn't arguing how Joel built his street cars. The car in question was obviously built for strip use. Joel didn't typically repaint entire cars or strip them of their SS markings either, adding badges happened alot more than removing them. You can see the intake is painted entirely black also, not something you see on a street Motion car. I'd be curious as to what Joel's explaination is for it's lack of SS fender emblems, and why he'd replace an SS gas cap with a non-SS version on a car that was to be dubbed an SS-427? I won't argue with the guy who built these cars, but he did say "thinks." Also, just for conversation's sake..the fender flags looks too far forward, not centered below the Camaro emblem, and a bit crooked as well. Maybe I'm seeing things.

[Charles]

I think this 1967 Camaro was orig. a medium blue color. It was much modified with everything stripped or burned off like undercoating etc. forward of the centerline of the car. The front springs were changed; different type on each side. The floor pan was chopped up and the rear suspension was modified to handle the torque. One of the early motors blew up and was replaced. The transmission was also modified with an extra shifter... It was not pretty but it worked!

[Charles]

Supercar Kid had the right idea but everyone has missed the mark on this "SS-427" Camaro. This Camaro was built to compete in the A/MP class where the weight was 3075 to 3150 pounds with fuel and driver. All unnecessary weight was removed including the radio, heater, wiring looms and hoses. The front springs were replaced with the left being from an air conditioned 396 Camaro and the right from a standard 327 Camaro. The standard six-cylinder engine that the Camaro was built with was replaced by an over the counter stock block L-88. The aluminum heads received some attention as did the 850 cfm carb but it was basically a stock motor with a service package chain drive camshaft. A fiberglass "stinger" hood scoop was attached to the stock steel hood. The rear suspension was modified along with the transmission/clutch combination. 7 inch slicks were used but with all that power up front it did not survive long. After less than 20 passes at the strip the power tore up the rear suspension resulting in damage to the rear fenders and the Camaro almost flipping. The bodywork was repaired and the Camaro was painted white. The rear suspension was beefed up and transmission problems were addressed. In the fall of 1967 the now white Camaro returned to the track. This Camaro was only used for one season as it was replaced by a 1968 Camaro with a 466 big block.