rebodied with out salvage a title

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Charley, What's your logic about the car was 'running' vs not running? If the race drivetrain was gone, would it still be ok? I think the firewall resto method should be disclosed, maybe not illegal, but why not just tell the truth? What is so stinkin hard about being honest?

[Charley Lillard]

Marlin. I don't know if any logic is involved. And yes I agree that it would be nice if the repairs were disclosed. Hard for me to think a car should have a Salvage Title assigned to it if it was a running , driving Pro Street car. Should every Pro Street Camaro get a Salvage Title if they attempt to put them back stock ? Maybe Brian can clarify just where in the front floorpan the splice is. We will always be discussing what constitutes a rebody and I know I don't think I will ever have a Cut and dried Black and white opinion.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Agreed.
Honesty is still the best solution, but usually greed prevails.

[Norm reynolds]

A-Men

[Mr. T]

Could someone tell me what a "tubbed" car is? Since I have never raced and keep my Camaro's all original, I am not sure what this term means. Thanks!

[Charley Lillard]

tubbed is when you want to put a really large tire under a car you cut out the wheel houses and parts of the floor to accomidate the large wheels. Camaros are unibody so usually you are also cutting out the part of the floor that incorporates the frame. Then some new Iron is usually to tied subframe connectors that now hold the rear suspension. Basically you are cutting out most of the floor in the back half of the car.

[Mr. T]

Thanks Charley. I knew it had something to do with racing.

[SULLY]

Hi Guys. Thought I would jump in here.
I am a long time reader and first time poster.
I don't think we will ever be able to agree on what
constitutes a "rebody". The problem that we have on the
post about a certain car that was deleted is if this forum should allow people to post negative information about
someones car. Whether the info is true or untrue is NOT
the point the "damage has been done". People will remember
years later and question the car. That being said I should say (before someone else does) that I do own a 69 Yenko Camaro that was crashed in Nov of 71. The car was damaged down the right side along with severe cowl damage. It was repaired back then with some new sheet metal and a used door. The cowl and front floor were hammered out the best they could. When I bought the car almost 4 years ago I was well aware of the damage. After having several body and frame people look at it it was decided by me to replace the cowl along with most of the front floor. I also replaced the right 1/4 and outer wheelhouse as it had been brazed on. I found a donor car and had it done. It is documented by pictures. This is a 13,000 mile original engine car.
Do I have a Yenko? a Rebody? Several people on this board know this car and what has been done. I think it would be hard for me to sell this car without giving someone this information. It is only right. The car is now in it's final
assembly stage and I will post a picture soon.

Thanks..........Sully

[elcamino]

A good friends nephew was a auto body man. For years when he worked at a Chevy body shop he would buy wrecked cars and fix them in his own shop, moonlighting. Often the owner of the wrecked car wanted to buy a new vehicle and he would get the wreck for a good price if the dealer took it in trade or sometimes he made a deal with the owner.

When it came time to sell he would tell them they were wrecked but often did not tell them of the extent. Well after doing this for many years and making a lot of money. He sold a Blazer that was in a bad run off the road accident. He fixed using all GM parts but he never disclosed the extent of the accident to the buyer. It did not have a salvage title. Well, although he was a good body man and used all GM parts to repair it, the new owner, a young girl was fatally injured in the Blazer. This happened about 6 months after he sold it to her parents. They suspected something wrong with the vehicle, so they hired a very good lawyer who found out the extent of the damage and how much he made on the transaction. An investigation determined that he was negligent in his repair, some parts were not replaced and later failed. They said he failed to disclose the extent of his repairs, he insisted he did but nothing was in writing. He was lucky to stay out of jail. He was sued, the parents blame him for the accident even though it was shown the driver was speeding. He cannot find a job in any body shop to this day and works construction. He was not really a crook, although he was a good body man, he was not state licensed and insured to do this work outside of the GM dealership.

So I guess the moral is, be very careful restoring vehicles of any omissions on a vehicle repair. If the buyer can prove a defect exists or you altered the vehicle with the intent to defraud and you failed to disclose, you are in breach of contract and can be sued for any and all damages to include punitive damages.

There is a fine line between restoring a car and making a car from junk. I don't think I would want to be the person who just bought a restored 1969 Z28 for $50g only to find out it was a total piece of junk before the restoration and was made up of many other cars unless the shop doing the work was Body Codington etc.

[Norm reynolds]

Ed you say clipping is accepted?? Did that Lincoln get re-titled as reconstructed I do not know what is legal in NC but what I am finding out is in some states it is required by law
I have been in the business for over 35 years I for one WILL NEVER CLIP A CAR
The legal aspect is just to great The shops that I have seen clipping cars are all for the most part out of business why LAW-SUTES I have done my home work on this
I called my insurance co today just to see what their policy on clipping a car I was told if its that bad that it needs to be clipped they will total it even if it is a new car because they can be held liable and not worth the risk. They went on to say they have in the past have been sued The Lincoln you spoke of will most likely end up in a used car lot by years end and some poor Joe ends up with a lemon I know what you are saying about high dollar car but is the risk worth it once its clipped it will never be the same I can go on for days telling you of all the problems I have seen when a car gets clipped. What Mike has said is right on the money I have seen this way to many times. People today are sue happy and will sue you in a heart beat It just not worth the risk. I know that I will NOT convince every one but at least
I can sleep at night knowing I did the right thing I have spoke my peace on this subject and now will get off my soup box and end this