70 LS6

[ohhawk]

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You could've bought it at Vettefest November 22nd for 85K.I believe Flying A restored it.
I like that color.

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If this is the Flying A restoration I have seen this car apart as well as finished. It would likely not be a car listed 2 years ago in any ad as the car has been finished for at least a year and under restoration for approx. 2 years prior by my recollection. Again this may not be the Flying A car but looks like it could be with NE paperwork. Car has serious money tied up in it with a super job done by Flying A but knowing what I know about this car it is not worth the money being asked IMHO (doesn't mean they won't get it). I'd be curious to know how it ended up in AZ as the owner during the restoration was from Omaha area.

[SS427]

It's a long story and is owned by the same gentleman who bought the benchmark LS-6. He is pretty quiet about his toys. Although a beautiful car, I was a little surprised to see how high it scored as I had inspected the car at VF and found several errors. Still all in all, a very expertly restored car.

As far as LS6 value..It has always been my personal opinion that a documented, diamond certified LS6 should bring MORE money than a similar COPO Camaro. The reason I believe this has to do with documents and the fact that a buildsheet on a LS6 (again a real buildsheet), pretty much guarantees you are buying the "real deal" all things being equal. I think even with the lower production numbers on COPO's they can't be 100% documented (as a general rule)since just about all are Norwood cars (hardly no broadcast sheets)and therefore shouldn't bring the prices they are.

If we use COPO Camaros as a guide, a correct LS6 that has been Diamond Certified, should be a 125k+ car, as more than likely it is 100% verifable as a LS6. IMO a documented (buildsheet) matching numbered LS6, irregardless of color or options is and should be worth more than a COPO at all levels. Therefore a nice driver (again matching numbered major components and documented through a buildsheet) is at LEAST a 55-60k car. Just my opinions and views..

Greg

[Belair62]

The market sure doesn't think they are more valuable than a COPO and they probably never were as valuable...anyone have a historical perspective ? Thru the years what has been more valuable ???....

[Jeff H]

Wow, that is a high price! I'm sure the restoration is a top notch job, but is there really anything that special about the car? They made a lot of LS6 cars so it's not really rare. As for a documented LS6 being more valuable than a documented COPO, I would disagree with that. If you have the P-O-P or window sticker for a COPO, you have definite proof of what it is. Buildsheets are nice, but they sometimes got put in the wrong car so that's not 100% conclusive. COPO's are a lot less produced and the sleeper factor may also contribute to the increased value.

[camarojoe]

"As far as LS6 value..It has always been my personal opinion that a documented, diamond certified LS6 should bring MORE money than a similar COPO Camaro."

LS6 more valuable than a COPO? N.F.W. (IMO)

A COPO can never be thoroughly verified as 100% legitimate??? I think you're gonna find alot of people disagree with both those revelations. I'd take a non-buildsheet COPO camaro over an LS6 with 3 of em... and I don't think I'm alone.

Well again that is an opinion...and I wouldn't think anyone has ever made POP's and window stickers???? Give me a break...I guess you guys are saying that a Camaro that happens to fall within a general body range and time frame AND MIGHT be a COPO, because of that it is worth more than a papered LS6???? Remind me to laugh...

It is only because the majority of guys here are Camaro guys (and you want to have the esteem of owning a COPO)that you would ever suggest that a COPO without any paperwork, just a "hunch" would be worth more than a papered LS6. Just so you guys know..I own both..and would never feel the X11, BE reared, single fuel line 1969 Camaro is worth more in the same condition as one of the LS6's. It is just my opinion...

[camarojoe]

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I guess you guys are saying that a Camaro that happens to fall within a general body range and time frame AND MIGHT be a COPO, because of that it is worth more than a papered LS6???? Remind me to laugh...



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Nope, I'm saying that you don't need a buildsheet for conclusive verification that a Camaro is a COPO. How many Yenkos have been found with buildsheets? Does that mean they are all "questionable" without one? I don't think so. Oh, by the way, don't forget to laugh.

I believe the actual full Yenko VIN's are known through paperwork, or at least the vast majority of them are..If they aren't then what does that say...??? I don't think COPO's are..to my knowledge there isn't a list of VIN's as in the 69 ZL1's that show a complete VIN..Therefore wouldn't it be fair to say that someone can take a single 3/8" fuel line low HP V8 Camaro that is a X11 body and build a COPO. Using your theory since the VIN isn't known and if the cowl tag and body build sequence is close then it is a "possible" COPO. I'm aware of the cars being built in sequences as well btw..but since there isn't a "firm" papertrail..who would know? With fraud being such a big part of this hobby now, wouldn't a car that has a factory paperwork be worth more since it can be eliminated from the potential frauds? I hate to argue this point as I think it is again personal opinion, but IMHO..the main reason COPO prices are at the level they are currently is largely in part to this website..Think about the number of cars that are traded among members here, each time raising the "value" and also helping to "validate" the car since it can be attributed to a "SYC" member. Case in point is the cars at Legendary Motors...these are documented Yenkos that are having a hard time moving(or at least did as I'm not 100% sure they haven't sold as of this writing)at the "current" prices..if the cars weren't somewhat overly inflated then they would have moved...the "non-SYC" member doesn't or is at least having a hard time, justifying the value or they would have never stayed around..Especially for such a popular car.

I'm not saying these cars aren't worth money or trying to step on others toes, but just food for thought. The LS6 in my opinion (again we all know what they are like) is currently undervalued.

Respectfully,

Greg

[Jeff H]

Greg, you changed your comparison. First you said a documented LS6 is worth more than a documented COPO because you think the LS6 documentation is more accurate. Now you're comparing a non-documented COPO to an LS6. Different story. Everything can be forged so nothing is better than anything else. That being said, a documented COPO is much more desirable than a documented LS6 IMO. A non-documented COPO is worth more than a non documented LS6 as well. But you can't compare a documented LS6 to a non documented COPO. I would take the documented car for the same money any day. Now if you're comparing a non documented COPO with matching #'s, then I would take that over the LS6 because the matching #'s is original. But I prefer Camaros if you're talking cars of equal value. This is my opinion and what I would do. No reason to argue because we each have our own preference.