67 (YENKO) baldwin motion identification question

[Belair62]

Well good luck on getting this car doc'd and done....I don't know jack about this stuff and I'm kind of surprised we haven't heard anything from the likes of SYC or BKH to grill you a little bit about it. Hell usually when a car comes on this site it catches some big scrutiny by some very knowledgeable people...that must be a good sign !!!

[T Billigen]

You Can say that again!!!!

[hvychev]

Yeah come on you sleeping giants!! I want to see someone else get into some sort of controversy for a change!

I hear that Marlin has been to busy getting his hair done and his nails painted to post anymore and that Motown is in a nut house somewhere in Michigan!

[bkhpah]

I have answered all of Bergers questions. He has PM'd me a few times. By the way, weren't you tired of "Diamond Certified" judges answering questions not that long ago. I am one of those judges...BKH

[sYc]

Hey, I am just sitting back and watching, as it looks like Berger is getting plenty of valuable information from other sources. In fact, I have already learned a few things.

I did not know that Chevy built COPO Camaros in '67, especially a run of 427s. That the list of 107 Yenko VINs was for NHRA use, and might contain VINs of straight six cars, which Harrell may have converted.

My only question is, what happens if another car shows up with the missing VIN and trim tag. Who owns what?

[Charley Lillard]

"My only question is, what happens if another car shows up with the missing VIN and trim tag. Who owns what?"...Good question. So what is the Heart and Soul of the car, the Body or the Trim Tag and vin plate ? I'm thinkin the the Guy with the vin plate has a legal problem since it does not belong on the car it is on.

[JoeC]

Matt seems to be getting a lot of mixed info from different people. I did tell him I was researching a possibility of a COPO for 1967 Camaro but I never said it was for a 427. In my research I found that
On Sep 15, 1966 Don Yenko applied to Chevy for 3 COPOs. One for a different dash for the 67 Stinger, one for a 67 Nova for SCCA A/sedan class and one for a Camaro. It is not clear what Chevy allowed him to order. I also found strange info on four 67 Yenko Camaro trim tags. I told Matt that I don’t think that there were 107 Yenko Camaros built in 1967. There are a few reasons for this. One is that some of the YS#730-YS#740 cars were delivered in Sep of 67 when 1968 cars were already coming out. It does not seem likely that over 50 cars could be built and delivered that late in the year to get from approx YS#760 to YS#7107. There were some YS#6xx numbered cars but there would have to be over 50 of them, which seems unlikely. Yenko had to off load some cars to Harrell’s shop just to keep up with the YS#7xx cars. I have been surprised by some of the new info I found but I have not been able make any conclusions so all this is “just my opinion”. As I said before, I am interested in talking with anyone who is researching the 67 and 68 Yenko Camaros as I believe that more can be discovered if all the info can be pooled.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Not to worry Frank! I was the one who got Berger rolling by telling him that his vin was on the list of 107, not sure on the list of 54, and turned him over to JoeC and Warren D. Sometimes it's better to help people via PM's and phone calls instead of playing the whole thing out in public and drawing 'fire' for helping.

So far it's a tough car, has the right vin in the firewall, but no tags, and.... it's on the list of 107, not sure if it's on the list of 54, but Warren has papers for it. This lends creedance to the expanded count for '67 Yenko cars, and our theory that the 54 cars on the 'list' represents those cars that were sold through SPAN Inc, and were listed for commission payment purposes only. So, the jury is out on this one until more research is done. Berger seems to be doing fine job on that end, props to him, and the winning lottery ticket for that $5000 - that indicates 10 pieces of paper???

[Belair62]

See...all you guys were hibernating....it ain't that cold...Charley since the VIN is still on the body I agree...if someone turns up with those tags they would be the ones out of luck.

[sYc]

What if the other owner (tags) has gone through the proper channels and has a clear title? Lets say a salvage title, where it is legal to combine two cars to make one. I am sure this person would not surrender the tags without a fight and/or compensation. Most likely a issue for the courts to decide.

Also, if Berger goes to have a trim tag made, what codes does he put on it, not knowing how the car was equipped?

As I told him in a PM, IMO, the car is best left as a race car, where these matters are not of such great importance. IMO, the only way I see that the car could be of major value would be if the original tags were reunited with the original body. Otherwise, there will always be this cloud of mystery (missing tags) hanging over the car.