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#1
11-21-2003, 04:47 AM
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Re: 70 Judge RAIV and V continuation
The research is in full gear on the silver Judge, soon as something pops I'll post it. In the mean time while digging through old documents n such.... there are listings for RAV-WI and WY motors for standard / XY and XW for Automantic. Does anyone know how that can be since they were all sold over the counter, for the most part? After pondering on it a bit, I might guess they were camed different accordingly in the crate. But the same book only list one cam, 545713. So then I begin to wonder if they came with or whithout the clutch set up? That seems a little odd because they could have sold that seprate, just as we do today. Anyone know the answers without lashing out at me? And yes I realize it's just a book, not gospel.
Info source: Pontiac HD parts & specs by Craig Hendrickson & Kern Osterstock HO Racing Specialties INC. Tom you might know this one, you would appear to be top dog on RAV stuff in this forum. 
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#2
11-21-2003, 06:08 AM
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Re: 70 Judge RAIV and V continuation
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Tom you might know this one, you would appear to be top dog on RAV stuff in this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Steve, I mean no disrespect here, but I went back and read that thread. From what I can tell, it appears that he is the only Pontiac guy that you and your buddy "mrmuscle" have not alienated.
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#3
11-21-2003, 07:05 AM
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Re: 70 Judge RAIV and V continuation
Mark
Sometimes the boat has to be rocked a little bit. I think I squared things with Jim M. And Bill Shultz was a misunderstanding; I honestly thought he was one of the aynonmous phone call people, just faking an id to jack with me. GTO_Don, I can't explain him. Dajudge was a race challenge, I never was mad at him and I don't think he's mad at me. He is more than welcome to correct me. I like this forum, and if numbers and attention are ok with the leaders. The site sure got that. I think everyone learned something, I know I have. We still yet may change Pontiac history, and this debate was going on long before it hit this site. If no Pontiacs had ever left the doors without this motor so be it. But if they did, the more time that goes by the harder to prove. Would you agree from what you've read there is room for suspicion that a RAV motor may have been so put in a car or two?
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#4
11-21-2003, 11:42 AM
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Re: 70 Judge RAIV and V continuation
Don't start that again Steve. I know some of us want to do something else THIS weekend.
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#5
11-22-2003, 01:38 AM
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Re: 70 Judge RAIV and V continuation
what do you mean 'you cant explain me'! DONT TRY TO! im one of the nicest people you would ever meet. its when somebody is bullheaded and constantly makes stupid remarks about a subject he knows nothing about.For your information,those codes are published in that book because it was going to be a production engine! anybody knows any and every over the counter block just had a SR ON IT FOR SERVICE REPLACEMENT! NO CODES. ITS PLAIN TO SEE SOMEBODY STAMPED THAT BLOCK YOU HAVE [OTHER THAN PONTIAC]THATS WHY THAT JUDGE WILL NEVER TURN OUT TO BE REAL. EXPLAIN THAT!! signed; Pete townsend [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]
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#6
11-22-2003, 02:05 AM
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Re: 70 Judge RAIV and V continuation
Don
Let's see you be objective. Take another look and lets talk about it reasonably.
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#7
11-22-2003, 02:11 AM
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Re: 70 Judge RAIV and V continuation
I conclude that it was done long ago, how long I have no clue, I would certainly say before 99, the combonation of rust, paint, and depth leaves me to believe the W and numbers are of the same time and style stamping, leaving the Y not an exact match and out of line with the W, what does the Y mean, I don't know, I promise you I didn't do it, I don't see SR anywhere....?
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#8
11-22-2003, 03:07 AM
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Re: 70 Judge RAIV and V continuation
Although most SR blocks dont have engine codes stamped in them the service techs were supposed to stamp the code in them the same as the block they were replacing. For ID purposes. This didnt get done very often. Dont know that a RAV block would have a SR # as it was not a replacement for any block installed in a car. Probably had an engineering DS # if anything.
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#9
11-22-2003, 09:00 PM
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Re: 70 Judge RAIV and V continuation
Steve,
Is the number above the ìWYî on the engine block ì689549î? (thatís what it looks like) Also, is the photo in your attachment from the block that is currently in Garyís silver Judge (the one that has been there since it left the factory)? Rita [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="color: purple"> "Live Big, Live Bold, and live GENEROUSLY. Like Peter did." ~Tom Breske RIP COPO PETE! </span> </span>
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#10
11-22-2003, 09:23 PM
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Re: 70 Judge RAIV and V continuation
I can't tell what the first number is, that is the block out of the car. The air cleaner pic was a sheet pulled off a car before it left the line (not the car in debate).
Gary sent this to me in an email concerning the stamping: "Remind them that I scraped the original paint off to take the picture, this was a factory stamp. Look at 100 original pontiac engines of all types and the two letters don't always line up perfect. If someone was trying to make a bogus stamping, they would do it perfect anyway." I'll get the date code and first digit soon as I talk to him again.
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