1970 RAIV Judge Ragtops

[442w30]

Just because there are two dashes does not mean it's not a non-Pontiac color. For example, if my car came in Rallye Red (which is the same as Carousel Red, I believe), it came with two dashes, even though it is designated as an optional color. I am not sure why that is. I feel the two dashes for your car is not determinant on whether it was a Pontiac color or not because Goldenrod Yellow is obviously a Pontiac color.

The two dashes has confused me and I am not sure if there is a rule of thumb to it. As I know it's been used for RPO and non-RPO colors (for a respective model) as stated above, it seems like there is no rule of thumb.

[GTO_DON]

carousel red is the same as hugger orange [code 72] on late 68's and all of 69. goldenrod yellow is a f-body only color and thats why the 2 dashes are on the trim tag. it was also used on chevelles in 69 [ss396 color only] as special order. on build sheets it list as rpo [special paint solid] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

[yellowjudge]

HI I agreewith D [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]on, my thoughts were Golenrod Yellow was a bird color. I compared my spec. order yelloe to Daytona paint chip, looks same. I would assume this is prob. only RAIV out there in this color? I thought 2 dashes meant non pont. color? <font color="yellow"> </font>

[442w30]

You've basically said the same thing I was, but more eloquently. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

All I was saying is two dashes does not necessarily mean special order, per what Olds did with Rallye Red (and I believe Sebring Yellow too).

What were Carousel Red GTOs designated as? They still had the 72 or they had dashes?

[yellowjudge]

Hi, the carousel red was a standard color, used 69. I've seen it on: 68/9 gtos &amp; birds, would assume special early order. In 69 standard on judge, extra cost on bird. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img] <font color="yellow"> </font>

[yellowjudge]

HI, I could be wrong, but I'm sure Goldenrod yellow a bird only color. I took paint chip it seems to match the Daytona Yellow. My cousin has a 70 Lt-1 vette, looks the same.
I think tech. speaking there is no way to tell true color w/dashes. But my car is orig paint, &amp; I lifted the carpet etc to check, also someone wrote in grease pecil in door jam that it was spec. color &amp; date car made.
I'm really happy w/car I feel it is a real unique car, esp. w/raiv/color &amp; all the options.
It was a Freemont car, is'nt that near San Fran.? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

[442w30]

I never said it was not a Bird-only color. All I am saying is that dashes don't specify non-Pontiac color. Their meaning is more encompassing, having to do with 1) colors in the palette that was not offered on a respective car, like yellow on the GTO, 2) a color not available as an RPO, and 3) I know evidence that sometimes they used it for some RPO colors, but I don't know why.

Also, there are a whole bunch of Carousel Red GTOs out there. They were not Judges but standard GTOs.

[yellowjudge]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] This is getting kind of confusing, here I thought I had a special car? with a special paint color? I know I've never seen another, espec. a raiv. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img] Yes, there were some GTO &amp; birds both 68/9 in carousel red. Also in 76 they made TAs in that color again.

[JoeC]

I think it has something to do with the new car order process or paperwork. The SS Chevelle in Monaco Orange or Daytona Yellow got the 72 or 76 code but a non SS Chevelle in same colors got the dash.

[442w30]

Exactly!