427/425 69 Biscayne

Stitch · #1 11-08-2003, 12:33 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2441137681

I was just browsing eBay and thought somebody here may have been interested.

skierkaj · #2 11-08-2003, 04:08 PM

This guy seems to be honest enough. He says right in the last 2 lines he cannot be positive on the cars genuineness, but he will help all he can. Car looks genuine enough to me, and I'm no expert! What's everyone elses' thoughts?

**67BelAir427** · #3 11-08-2003, 06:43 PM

I have spoken to the seller. The car is not the one featured in the magazine, the paint is not bad but the prep work apparently was not very well done. What I found strange was that the engine is coded for a 69 427/425 HP car with automatic transmission. A dealer would have replaced a blown engine with a CE block. The partial build sheet has a body sequence number that matches the cowl tag, so unless someone has switched cowl tags then it looks to be a real M22 Biscayne that is missing its original engine and transmission, with the condition of the body/rust repairs unknown.Marc

**TimG** · #4 11-10-2003, 03:13 PM

What if the engine was damage so badly that they ordered a complete long block or the dealer had a long block in stock?
I think that full long block engines had the correct engine build information stamped on and no CE code. A number of factory stamped L88 engines exist in correct long block form.

**67BelAir427** · #5 11-11-2003, 02:29 AM

Tim, by the engine build info I would guess you mean the assembly date and plant prefix? What about the 2 or 3 letter suffix that would be stamped beside the assembly info, for example on this engine its stamped "LS" which would only be used in full size passenger car with Turbo 400 transmission. . Would the dealer be able to order a long block with a code that would make it correct for that application as opposed to the other cars such as Copo Chevelles, Camaros or Corvettes. If they could,did they just get close enough by obtaining a Turbo 400 code instead of the one for an M22? If so, that would explain how this engine ended up in an M22 Biscayne. Marc

Schonyenko2 · #6 11-11-2003, 03:44 AM

There were warranty blocks that were coded specifically for the correct application. One of my year one cataloges tells about them, and I have one in my Peck deuce, Its coded ctb without a sequential vin nbr. Very interesting article. Schonye

**TimG** · #7 11-11-2003, 02:57 PM

The assembly code would be stamped completly on a long block just as it would be on an engine to be used in a vehicle. There were a number of crate engines with the assembly code and date code that were sold that did not have CE stamped on them. The red/red 1967 L88 Corvette coupe that is a well known car has a correct L88 long block with an assembly code perfect for the car. This engine was found at a Chevrolet dealership with no CE, just the engine code and engine designation stamped on it. It could have just as easily gone into an L88 Corvette but it went to a dealer parts inventory. In this case, the owner chose to install the engine in the car that needed it and not stamp the VIN portion of the number. He wanted to leave the original L88 crate motor undisturbed.

**olredalert** · #8 11-11-2003, 04:07 PM

Tim,

------If you are referring to the 12 mile L88 its red/black.I worked on that car at one time or another and am very familiar with the interior.If its another L88 that Im not aware of then sorry for the comment.........Bill S

**TimG** · #9 11-11-2003, 08:45 PM

The L88 that I was talking about is the Red/Red coupe that was owned by Ray Norvel. The Red/Black low mile car may have a similar type long block in it with the assembly date.
Pretty cool that you worked on the 12 mile car. I thought I was in heaven when I looked at it.

**olredalert** · #10 11-11-2003, 09:36 PM

Tim,

-----I had forgotten about Rays L88.Theres just too many of them out there to keep straight anymore!LOL!The engine situation on the 12 mile car is very similar.The complete engine was aquired from Terry M in much the same state as Norvels.The difference is that the 2nd partner insisted on the serial numbers being on the block.I remember that Dave B didnt want to stamp it but was outvoted,so to speak.I have to call Roger J soon and find out if he finally adjusted the drivers door.Dave B wouldnt readjust it even though it was badly out of line when delivered from the factory.............Bill S

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