TUNNEL PORT RA V

[Steve_Hoog]

I have three or four different sets of pics, different race sessions. The Judge in the set you posted definitely has a pic from the rear showing the prototype spoiler.

From another session; again with the blue car and prototype spoiler, an engine shot clearly shows what would turn out to be a RAII if the codes could be read.

Nothing of significance, just interesting how they swapped engines in and out of those cars like running water.

[GOAT72]

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[Steve_Hoog]

I take it you haven't seen the engine pic that I have with the RAII and "definite" prototype Ramair system, I'll post it tonight. Very interesting stuff.

They may have had one or more of these proto Judges that ran in the Wangers/Royal circles, that is the only thing I have never figured out from the pictures.

The Firebird being the only car to have the V in it, that is what I have heard too.

You know of course this will bring the fury of the Shultz's down on you?

[69GTODave]

I'm new to the site and I just started following this thread...interesting info here.... That car has always interested me... So, are you saying the Schultz car never had a RA-V when it was in Miami and all the data was faked or invented ?

[yellowjudge]

Wonder what happened to the 69 bird?

[Steve_Hoog]

What's funny is you hear about this Firebird over and over, yet it's not in any of the group photos? I have a 69 Drag Racing that has an article on a 69 Bird RAV that is probably it, I'll re read it later and see. I believe it was a two tone-ish blue car, maybe. Then there was an orange one that everyone goes on about.

I have other photos from what appears to be the same session as Keith, it has a light colored 65 in it. I believe that 65 GTO was in another magazine article with the Warren brothers.

Lots of loop holes in this whole story. The one thing I have heard several times, is there was only one partial pass made, in one car, with one motor.

So now I'm with Dave, did some one make up the rest of the story and figures?

[Steve_Hoog]

OK.... here are the goods.

With the Leader Engineering lettering, that would make this George's car. Safe assumption.

Obviously this car was in Florida, and had a RAV in at. Hopefully at the same place and time.

JW's Grand Prix and one of the two Judges are now at the same place and time. Proof is in the pic.

One page in the July 1969 Drag Racing

[tjs44]

it had a RA IV lower pan on it.Tom

[GOAT72]

Sorry, we were talking about the Judges and I mentioned those 2 different sets of wheels already.

I did not think, for a second, that this discussion was about the Schultz's car and therefore did not include it in my comments concerning RA V the test cars.

So, if I "started something" I apologize and assure everyone that I was only posting those photos for the enjoyment of everyone.

I have met Mr. &. Mrs. "Billy Bobcat" and they are very nice people and good friends.

steved: I was trying to help keep the RA V discussion "lively" and really didn't care for the direction it was steered.

Sheesh.

Thanks to those who "alerted" me about what happened to this thread!

[Steve_Hoog]

Keith

I came home at lunch and was about to scan the pics, when upon looking closer I noticed a battery cable going to the right side. This is an article spear headed by Milt; at least that is who is credited, on the blue car and Judge's performance. In the mix of photos, they have one proto Ramair system, and one full engine shot. Then several of the blue car and Judge, the engine is for sure a RAII but now I believe it's a dumped in the article Firebird compartment shot. For what purpose to mock up an engine shot, I have no clue. Looks like the Ramair shot may indeed be the Judge (clone), maybe?

Geez in light of Dave's question, conflicting things I've already heard, and what you said...... one could only imagine if the truth will ever be known.