Feelings on 4spd vs. auto

[COPO]

On almost every collectible car the market values a 4 speed car higher. On the supercars this could be $50,000+ difference.

[COPO PETE]

While I agree and it has been proven time and time again, a 4 speed always gets more money. With all due respect $50,000 is pushing it quite a bit. I would think 5 to 10 grand depending on the car! The exception there might be a ZL-1 car.
The same goes for paint. A hugger orange or Daytona yellow will get you at least 5 to 10 grand more than a green one. Of course there are always exceptions!
Peter

[COPO]

I think there is at least a $50K diference between 4 speeds and autos for both ZL-1's and some BMotion cars. Sales in the not to distant past have borne this out. '69 Yenko Camaros might not have a $50K difference, perhaps more in the $20K to $30K range. Of course for more run of the mill muscle cars it would be only be several thousand.

[camarojoe]

I would think it would make more difference on a car that is being bought to be driven. If its a show car that will rarely (or never) see street use, and only be driven in and out of a box trailer, it seems silly to pay 1000s and 1000s of dollars more for a 4 gear, now if you're buying a car to actually DRIVE, then yes, i could justify spending the extra cake for it. Personally, I prefer manual trannys, but I also know of some pretty bad assed automatic supercars, and don't consider them to be worth far less than if they were 4 speeds.

[bkhpah]

This thread is crazy. Worth more, worth less. Give me a break. Every Gibb Nova and Gibb /Harrell Nova is an automatic. Are these not great cars? The Dana prepared Nova we are finishing is a CX turbo. Ever seen another one? 50,000$ less? I don't think so. Most of the Dick Harrell cars that are documented are automatics. Clary, its time to get rid of the automatic Camaro...BKH

[camarojoe]

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This thread is crazy. Worth more, worth less. Give me a break. Every Gibb Nova and Gibb /Harrell Nova is an automatic. Are these not great cars? The Dana prepared Nova we are finishing is a CX turbo. Ever seen another one? 50,000$ less? I don't think so. Most of the Dick Harrell cars that are documented are automatics. Clary, its time to get rid of the automatic Camaro...BKH

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well said Brian. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] Tom and Rob, if its time to sell, I'll take that slushbox Daytona Yellow car off you guys at a 50k discount. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Chevy454]

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...automatic euipped cars just don't have as much personality (my personal opinion).

Tom and Rob, if its time to sell, I'll take that slushbox Daytona Yellow car off you guys at a 50k discount.

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Ahh, you wouldn't want our Camaro, it's only got 12.4 seconds worth of personality... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Born30YrsLate]

Rob - are you offering to take me for a ride or letting me take her for a spin! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
The personality I'm talking about is that the car seems to be more responsive to the gas pedal as well as the driver when he has his a**hole pucker tighter than a clams a** when you miss a shift at high rpm...I guess you could do that in an automatic if you throw the shifter from 2nd to neutral on a manual shift.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

[sYc]

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Clary, its time to get rid of the automatic Camaro...BKH

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Dang, just when it was starting to get fun. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/[/img] And there goes the DH funny car, 400 turbo as well. Good thing all of the '69 Novas were 4 speeds, otherwise I might may left to cruising in the Vega. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

On the serious side, I have not seen this wide range of price between autos and 4 speeds. In fact, most times, when contacted about the value of certain supercars, the transmission is of little importance to the interested buyer, compared to: a. type of car (B-M, Yenko, Nickey, etc), b. condition, c. originality, d. documentation, e. color/trim. Remember, more times then not, the buyer is not buying the car to drive/race.

I think the old idea that 4 spd cars are worth more is exactly that..an "old" idea..The guys that grew up with these types of cars are now older, in some cases much older...do they want to cruise in a car with a mechanical clutch? In some ways I actually prefer the auto from a collectibility standpoint..ie: less breakage, better chance of having original drivetrain, typically more options since the typical buyer had more money to spend when they bought the cars in the first place. I was just curious as to what the "gang" thought..