1970 gto judge ram air IV

[gtomike1967]

As you can see im brand new to this board. I heard about this discussion from another forum and decided to check it out.
First I would like to say that this is a very informative thread and im enjoying reading it!

Everybody is trying to prove or disprove that a RAV car was made at the factory and delivered to a Pontiac dealership right?
In my opinion the posts by Jim Matteson, Billy and GTODON contain the most info regarding that a RAV was never made by the factory. It seems the other guys are bassing most of their argument on hearsay from an old dragracer. (no offense intended to Mr. Knaffel)

I still feel that the burden of proof is on the people that believe in a factory RAV car and they havent shown much to prove thier case.

Thanks
My 2 cents

[Steve_Hoog]

Mike

I think it's been established that these cars weren't regular production, more than likely back door race cars or favors. With whatever proof there may or may not still be at GM; it is either concealed as confidentail, or long lost.

Do you have any suggestions where or how to come up with said proof? It's not an easy task. Every single contact I have at GM is a dead end, with the exception of one GM employee still putting forth effort. I'm losing hope in that. There are two things left in the works outside GM, which have a 50/50 chance. One, there may be some paperwork still in the vehicle with notes. The second is weeks away, and so far out of my realm I'm not going to comment on it.

I would love some suggestions for other approaches.

Even though there is no proof available yet, it is possible it occured. I think it would be an awesome thing to set the record straight for historical purposes.

Please help.

Steve

[gtomike1967]

Steve
I agree that it would be awesome to prove that a RAV was factory installed in a Pontiac and I think its great that people are trying.
I wish I could offer you a suggestion as to how to prove it, but I cant.
If it was my car I would restore it with a RAV in it and just be happy knowing that its an awesome car with a great history.

Mike

[JoeC]

Other avenues to check would be shipper records and shipper insurance records. I would guess same company that shipped the new cars "could" have shipped a "scrapped" prototype car to a dealer. I agree that documentation is needed.
This has been a good post as I have enjoyed it and learned some interesting Pontiac history.
It has been a fairly clean post as at least no one's sexual orientation has been called into question as of yet. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Less personal attacks - more car facts [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

[Jeff Murphy]

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at least no one's sexual orientation has been called into question as of yet

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I am a little worried about the Mrs. HvyChev thing though... Do we have "Francis Queen of the Day 2 Chevelles"? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

[Mr70]

I've always wondered why we never see Hvychev and MrsHvychev in the same place at the same time.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

[Steve_Hoog]

Joe

I had also thought about checking with the original header company, to see if they might have records of direct ship to Engineering. Not conclusive proof, but a piece to the puzzle.

I would imagine you have some knowledge of business. I know it would be a nightmare here at my dealership just to find records over a year old in some of our dealings. If we even knew who the transport company or header company were, it would be tough.

Does anyone know who the transport company in Ohio may have been in late 69?

Steve

[Steve_Hoog]

Joe

Making the assumption these two cars where shipped out the back door. They very possibly could have been shipped individualy, not via normal transportation.

Do you or anyone know how special cars were shipped?

Would Jim M have access to shipping records? Has he ever gotten any for anyone else?

Steve

[MrsBillyBobcat]

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Do you or anyone know how special cars were shipped?



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I'm sure my husband does [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Steve_Hoog]

Joe

While researching for some shipping answers, I ran across this quote from Bill Knafel.

"I accepted more cars right out of Pontiacís engineering department than anyone else. The cars would come off the assembly line and weíd pick them right up."

Kinda makes me think the shipping approach may be chasing the wind.

Steve