1970 gto judge ram air IV

[BillyBobcat]

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bill, in response to your post (page 13) i guess that the article posted by joec (page 16) does in fact prove that a judge did in fact leave the factory with a ra 5 engine in it. what happened to it?? good question. never say never ever.

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In response to ìmrmuscleî on the recent topic of a magazine article on a RAV in Super Stock Magazine with a photo of a Judge, hereís the scoop: [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

In 1969, Milt Schornack, Dave Warren, & Jim Wangers took several cars to Florida for testing (it was winter in Detroit). The base of operation for these cars was Colonial Pontiac and one of the dealer mechanics Jess Jesson also came out with the Royal guys with his í69 Judge. Royal brought the í69 Bobcat with a RAM AIR V, a í69 Judge with a RAM AIR IV (to compare against the RA V), Jim Wangersí white and gold 69 Grand Prix, and ROYALís NHRA legal 350 Firebird (which was taken to Pomona after the testing was done).

Because this was a ìP.R.î mission, a lot of testing was done on all cars. Wangers brought several signs to be used for photos on the various cars such as ìCars Magazineî, ìSuper Stockî, & ìPopular Hot Roddingî. These signs were used for various shots, as what was called ìfile footageî. For example, if a car was needed for ìCarsî Magazine with the RAM AIR V, photos would be available for that particular magazine to be used in conjunction with a Ram Air V article if the need ever arose.

The Super Stock article used such a ìfile footageî shot. I have many actual photos from that test session of the cars, with and without various signs. According to Milt, Dave, and Jim, the photo of the í69 Judge with Ram Air V signs in the Super Stock article is one of the mock-up ìfile footageî shots. To back up their statements, I have several different actual photos of this Judge with the same signs and background from the Florida test session. These shots were obviously done in Florida rather than Detroit. Also, if you look at the photo credit in the article, it reads ìphotos by GM Photographicî, not ìSuper Stockî. The motor photos were also ìfile photosî.

As a further point of reference, I even have photos of the 350 Firebird with RA V signs on it and no, it didnít have one in it at that time either! The one motor shot in the article (actually the í69 Firebird) was taken after the test session. I have the exact same original photo in my í69 ìRoyal Firebirdî file (see attachment). The car was taken to Dougís Headers on the way to Pomona, RA V heads installed so Dougís could use the Firebird as a ìmock-up" for F-body headers, then the 350 heads were re-installed. The ET times and data I believe to be taken from the Bobcatís records. There is nothing tricky or fancy about all this, it is how things were done back then by the P.R. people.

Now, back to the original TOPICÖThereís still no proof that Pontiac ever assembled a GTO with a RAM AIR V and sent it out to the retail public, so the final verdict is still the same as it was 340 posts ago! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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