1970 gto judge ram air IV - Page 16

DaJudge · #**151** 11-13-2003, 04:44 AM

I am sorry to see that an old car dealer has more respect and integrity than a person like Jim Mattison who actually worked for GM and has stated that a RA V car did not come from the factory, please review the past 100 posts to verify this quote. I never talked about drag racing my car but it did run a 13.2 at ATCO raceway and my RA IV car has run 12.98's with slicks. I think that's pretty respectible for stock cars with some tuning. Can't wait to meet you in Joplin, maybe we can even have a beer at Roadhouse Rubys or Guitars and Cadillacs, they are great bars and I would love to buy you a round. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/

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**Charley Lillard** · #**152** 11-13-2003, 05:20 AM

Steved... I'd be interested in that Car that nobody seems to believe... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img] Does he wanna sell it since all it seems to do is cause arguements ? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif[/img]

MotownMadman · #**153** 11-13-2003, 05:44 AM

Wow! And I thought I knew something about debate! A lot of historical people and info is being rattled from the trees on this one!
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**Born30YrsLate** · #**154** 11-13-2003, 05:56 AM

I will be starting to take bets on how long this thread will go!...forum leaders aren't allowed to make bets because they can stop a thread at any time (if I'm wrong feel free to bet as well)...let the betting begin.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

resto4u · #**155** 11-13-2003, 12:19 PM

I never thought i could ask a simple question, and have it turn into a novel. Some good info though...... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] Roger

**sixtiesmuscle** · #**156** 11-13-2003, 12:40 PM

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Sixties the Tin Indian is a 70 GTO. RA IV SD engines were supposedly installed in 70 Trans Ams, but no car has ever surfaced and no documeNtation exists to prove that these cars are real. Pontiac was going to put these cars into production but THE ENGINES WERE NEVER FEDERALLY CERTIFIED FOR EMISSIONS STANDARDS. I would love for one of these cars to exist because they would bring big dollars and bring the value of my RA IV car up wih it. Show me some real certified documentation or shut up!!!!!!!!. Did the WY get stamped by the franklin mint ??????

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Are you telling ME to shut up??? I think you have me confused with one of the other posters. I didn't post the WY code picture, and, never said anything other than that my car is a RA IV car with an engine that has a RA V block. Apology will be accepted.

Steve_Hoog · #**157** 11-13-2003, 12:53 PM

Normally I don't administer ass whoopins to follow Pontiac brethren, but I will make exception in this case. Mine is a street car, but you better bring more ponies if your going to take my challenge.

Charles · #**158** 11-13-2003, 01:53 PM

John, the information about the two SD Grand Prix models is only part of the story. One 1962 SD Grand Prix sat in a back yard; basically ignored for 15 years. It was still there when the buyer went back to take a serious look at the sad car sitting in the mud. The 421 engine had blown up and had been replaced with a 389 engine. The old SD headers had been installed on the 389; this plus a number of other unique features raised more questions about what sort of Grand Prix model this car was. After dragging the car home there was much research to be done. Talking to knowledgeable people about this Grand Prix could not confirm what it was. Many were quick to say what it couldn't be; a SD Grand Prix! To get the answer about this car the owner contacted Pontiac. Fred Simmonds of PMD after days of research was able to confirm that the car was a real SD Grand Prix and one of just 16 units built. Six years after locating this rare Pontiac, the restored SD Grand Prix was shown at a PMD headquarters show. People were most impressed with the quality of the restoration and the rarity of this Pontiac. It won the "People's Choice Award". Following this success the Grand Prix was invited to the Meadowbrook show. A great result for some lost Pontiac history, that the public was allowed to see once again.

mrmuscle · #**159** 11-13-2003, 02:40 PM

dajudge, i was shocked to see you refer to mr knafel as an "old car dealer" that is so disrespectful to a man whose cars set many world records and was the most lethal pontiac drag racing team in history. you know that you nor i nor jim mattison ever worked in pontiacs engineering "hobby shop" we dont know what all really happened in there. mr knafel had been talking about these two judges before either one of them surfaced and had even wrote about them a few years later in the smoke signals (pontiac oakland club internationals club magazine for the chevy guys who might not know what it is) back in around 1999. do you think that they built this engine and never put it in a car to test it? mr knafel said the cars were sent to him to drag race. who knows maybe it was not intended to have them sold. but just like many experiemental cars that are in private collectors hands, it does happen. NEVER SAY NEVER usually you have to go back and eat your words. why are a few people so afraid to admit this could (and more likely than not) have happened?

**olredalert** · #**160** 11-13-2003, 02:59 PM

Charles,

------I would dearly love to see that SD Grand Prix.It sounds like a peice of artwork.What part of the country is it located in?
------My own 64 GP is,I feel nearly as rare as it is a true HO tri-power 421 4spd.Although there were around 3300 HO big body Pontiacs built in 64 there appears to be only 25 to 30 HO tri-powers installed in Grand Prixs.Ive owned the car since 1988 and am still trying to research this..............Bill S

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