1970 gto judge ram air IV

[GTO_DON]

ALL RA V'S WERE DEALER INSTALLED! ASK JIM MATTISON [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

[MosportGreen66]

There is one in the latest Hemmings. It is yellow on black and is going for $43K and change.

[Astock]

GTO Don
I think Belair62 knows what he's talking about,and I'm still willing to wager with any takers. I have the vin # I'll fax to Jim M. and we'll let him post the results. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

[GTO_DON]

IVE BEEN BUYING AND COLLECTING GTO'S FOR OVER 20+ YEARS AND KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE COLLECTED GTO'S. IVE HAD ALOT OF JUDGES INCLUDING OVER 10 RAM IV'S AND I WOULD BET THAT CAR YOU TALK ABOUT IS NOT A RA V CAR. LET ME KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO BET.........DON [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Belair62]

I didn't mean to say whether it was factory or not...just that Royal and Knafel would have definitely been first in line to get the RA V engine.Don I'm sure you would agree those dealers could get whatever they wanted.

[Charley Lillard]

I had this same arguement with a Guy a couple weeks ago . He has been building and racing Pontiacs since the 60's. He said there is one on Display in Detroit with the Window Sticker Etc that has been around forever. He says Jim Mattison will kinow of it... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]GTO Don, you need to bet him because he was willing to bet the Farm also....

[sixtiesmuscle]

First, my apologies for this non Chevy supercar related thread.You mean ONLY twenty years don't you Don. Just kidding. Heck, you kids need to remember "never say never". I tend to agree with Belair on this one. Although memories get fuzzy, Bill Knafel could have received the one & only RA V from the factory, and, nobody else could have known about it but he and Delorean. He claims he DID. I know he received a car I own with some "special" treatments, including no seam sealer or other weight adding items that "couldn't" be deleted. Acording to Arlen Vanke who wrenched on this car from day one, it arrived from Pontiac with an engine built by Pontiac engineering, with a one off intake manifold. This RA IV ran 12 flat, with an occasional high 11. Not bad for 400 C.I./376 horse, close to two ton car.
My point is, with that kind of performance, Knafel, as far as dealers, was the standard bearer for Pontiac. To think that he could get anything he wanted is reasonable.
I realize that official records may not show a RA V delivered from the factory, but, strange things happened that were "off the books" back then.

[GTO_DON]

HEY MIKE, NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR A RAM IV! ALL THE CHEVY GUYS ARE STARTING TO SEE THE LIGHT. ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE RAIV. NOW IM KIDDING! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] I AGREE THAT WITH PONTIACS,NOTHING IS ETCHED IN STONE. BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE ARE NO FACTORY RA V GTO'S IN 1970. THEY DEVELOPED THE 303 CUBIC INCH RA V FOR THE TRANS AM. IN 69 THE 400 RA V WOULDN'T STAY TOGETHER. CASE IN POINT ,LOOK AT THE CRYSTAL TURQUIOSE 69 BOBCAT CAR, IT WAS A RAIV AND THEY PUT A V IN IT AND IT BLEW UP LEFT AND RIGHT. THE TIN INDIAN YOU HAVE IS A IV CAR,RIGHT? AND BESWICKS CAR IS A IV ALSO. ANYWAY ITS GOOD TALKING WITH YOU MIKE,NOW LETS START TALKING YENKO'S AGAIN! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img] BY THE WAY ITS BEEN 25 YEARS [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

[Astock]

MikeG,
It's listed on the PHS invoice second from the bottom as Spec Perf $280. And the last item on the invoice is just an amount of $52 without discription, just the code. Keep in mind, this is in addition to RA 3 Judge package $300(ballpark) and RA 4 $300 (ballpark). I'm more than happy to take Don's money. And you are right, Mike. Knafle was able to get some really odd ball stuff. Bill Knafle and his son spent a lot of time and effort trying to locate this car. If I would have known that, I would have sold them the car.

[Steve_Hoog]

Just for grins, what do you think these cars could be valued at if they did indeed come with the RAV from engineering? Do you think they would be in the same league as the 69 all aluminum Vette, that 1 of 2 is known to exist?