Original vs Correct,, New Body Acceptable? - Page 3

MotownMadman · #21 12-12-2002, 08:03 PM

Very interesting anology, Hmmmm, wouldnt be the first time I had the clap.... just kidding! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
Motown. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

stingr69 · #22 12-13-2002, 02:31 AM

We realy only need full disclosure to identify crooks. That is where the rubber meets the road IMO. The crooks are those that knowingly do not provide full acurate disclosure of the cars specifics in order to mislead a buyer.

Move the VIN and you are a crook, end of story. There is no legitimate reason to move a VIN to a different body. Moving a VIN is a LOT easier than a full resto so it just ain't gonna ever be that easy. If it were acceptable, nobody would restore a worn out car. Tag switch would be too easy.

We can get pretty hung up on "original" but in reality we endeavour to make our cars "look" a certain way, but they will never truly be "original" again, we just try to make them LOOK and run that way.

"Repainted" is just as "un-original" as "restamped". [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] (OH BOY, I actualy got enough courage to finaly say it). It is your car, do what ever makes you happy but don't lie about it.

Go ahead, type away!

-Mark.

**hvychev** · #23 12-13-2002, 03:23 AM

I have a question that has buged me for a while now.

I had a 1979 Corvette for about 3 years that I sold in 3/01. The actual VIN plate was coroded and actually eaten away in some spots. The car was pretty original but Corvettes in that late 70's era tended to rust in the pilar area where the vin tag was located due to water or moisture that would have settled in that area. That is how I bought the car and that is how I sold it. The title, owner history, car, and #'s were perfect otherwise. What could I have done in this situation?

68l30 · #24 12-13-2002, 03:27 AM

If it's rotten,cut it out and replace it.If it's missing,find a replacement.If it's bent,straighten it.If it can be saved,by all means restore it.If it's dead.....plant it! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] If you need to switch a body you are restoring the wrong car.You are,without a doubt,going to deceive someone sometime.You will always know your cars is not what it appears.If you feel fine with duping yourself into believing this is the same car,so be it.You have to live with the legal and moral trouble to follow.I have seen several cars that are national show winners,taken rolls of film,only to find out it is a rebody. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/mad.gif[/img] Is it a nice car? Sure, I would have loved to own it.But now, after all the smoke and mirrors, I see the car in a different light.I was fooled into believing the history,resto,and validity of everything around it.To me there is something special about the real deal,battle scars and all.Hell,I love beaters,character dents,rot everywhere,and the old peace sign on the rear bumper.I just love cars,nothing more or less.I am not into the hobby for financial reasons.I don't see the reason for a rebody other than money.I know they are out there,we just need to be wiser because of them.Remember,bury the dead.They have earned it.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif[/img]

Steve

**hvychev** · #25 12-13-2002, 03:45 AM

Well Said! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

AutoInsane · #26 12-13-2002, 04:41 AM

What if the car is one worth saving? What if the car was a Motion Camaro, (for example) Should it be thought of too far gone to restore or should it be saved?

Almost every Ferrari ever made is still on the road. This of course is due to the value of the cars. Now there are instances where almost the entire car has been recreated. At what point is the car a replica or clone and not original?

Take a look at the 1949 Ferrari Tipo 166 for an example:

http://www.symbolicmotors.com/framesets/page2.html

MikeA · #27 12-13-2002, 11:29 AM

If a car is worth saving then save it. Just don't rebody the car to "save it" because in reality you buried the car you were trying to "save"!

will · #28 12-13-2002, 12:13 PM

the car that the vin# were welded to was also in need of resto,just wasn't cut in two by a pole/tree,this guy is a big ford guy and was doing every thing back to orginal(paint lines on susp,overspray)I know he had been working on it for 4 years last time I saw him(that was 8 years ago) it might not even be done now ,he wasn't building it to sell.

FESTIVAL78 · #29 12-13-2002, 01:10 PM

Hopefully this pic will post: In my town ( Historic ) people with houses on the National Historical Registry are not allowed to tear the house down no matter how bad it is. The theory I suspect is that the person who owns the house is but a temporary guardian and the history of the house will exist long after the owner is gone. All the time I find these houses being restored but all that really remains are the threshold and fireplace footing..Did Paul Revere still die in that same house? Went to check out the USS Constitution this summer...20% of the wood is original.

Take this car as a great example. By all accounts it is the backup 67 Indy Pacecar..It makes the titanic look solid. It is in my eyes a car worth saving absolutely..What may I ask are the opinions of you guys.

FESTIVAL78 · #30 12-13-2002, 01:15 PM

The car does not have an engine or trans but does have the correct rear

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