Any 2002 ZL1's left to buy?

[CWilliams]

Which color do you guys think is the most popular among the new ZL1's?

Clint W.
Berger #56

[Belair62]

Is EVERYONE a used car salesman on this site now ?

[69rsss350]

Why, you got something against guys that sell used cars? Careful here! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

[mc25t190]

i own and run a honda dealership, and own part of a chain of dealerships and have every other dealership you might think of. i love my job and love selling cars, but , i am not a wholesaler or broker , but do sell a few cars from time to time. i don't think it is fair to the hobbyist to consider this as a wholsalers point of view, we are hobbyist, collectors, and enthusiasts. i think we can only make a buck if our interests change.if we do this is ok!. not just for the $$$$$$$$$$$$$ as you continue to emphasize!

[69rsss350]

Look, you narrow minded guys that insist on denigrating my profession, I never said anything about wholesaleing. You guys read into it what you wanted to. I stated a very simple opinion and you are stating yours. Only time will tell who is right, if you guys turn out to be right and you sell your 75K 2002 ZL1s for a profit, I, for one, am happy for you and will be the first to admit my mistake. How many of you will do the same if I turn out to be correct? Either way, it is just not that big of a deal is it? You own a Honda dealership and part of a chain? Wonderful. Do you sell used cars at this dealership and chain? Do you wholesale cars? Some of you guys are so full of yourselves it makes me sick. Millionaires collecting cars for the fun of it? Trading and selling cars between your small group of "enthusiasts" and furthering the hobby? You guys just keep jacking yourselves off. I think it is pathetic. It is really hard for some of you guys to admit that it is all about the money, isn't it! Now bring it on, because your responses are totally predictable...
1)I'm not in it for the money, I do it because I love these old cars and I am trying to preserve history.

2)I just enjoy the thrill of collecting old muscle cars to bring back my youth.

3)Have you ever owned a 600hp 6spd car or driven one?

4)If I don't do it someone else would. (But they would be doing it for the money also).

5)Some people collect art, some coins, stamps or other pieces of memorbilia. I collect cars cause I love them. If someone else has one I really want, price doesn't matter because I am just a keeper for future generations lest they forget.

6) all the other myriad of excuses/reasons you "elite" will come up with


Supercars or food for your family? You guys don't have to make that choice, because, if you did the flames that are fixin to come my way, would never come.

You guys are not furthering the hobby you are ruining it for the average guy that has to pay $5000 for a rusted out, no engine, first gen Camaro that just wants to have fun and has no intention of trying to make a fast buck.

Tom (sYc) you can ban me from this board if you like but the holier than thou attitudes that prevail on this board would prompt me to say "No loss".

Bottom line is if you guys didn't think you could make a profit or at least break even, you wouldn't be doing it. I want you to know that this post is directed to a small and "elite" group of members of this board and not to the general membership or owners/moderators. The ones that find fault with my post know who they are and shall certainly respond with all sorts of insults and nonsensical retorts but when they crawl into their sheets, they will have someting to think about, which is the intent of this post.
To all a goodnight!

[Belair62]

If that was an open post for anyone to answer I will say no I didn't ever have a 600 h.p. 6 speed car....mine was a 4 speed...several 4 speeds since they didn't like that much horsepower...I would pick food over cars any day...cars are expensive toys...don't think that's anyones fault...any new car depreciates...a lot...the'02 ZL1's may too...maybe they won't...no big deal...no need to get acid indigestion over these things. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

[CWilliams]

"You guys are not furthering the hobby you are ruining it for the average guy that has to pay $5000 for a rusted out, no engine, first gen Camaro that just wants to have fun and has no intention of trying to make a fast buck."



Mighty powerful observation if I do say so!!

[NWYENKO]

I bought one of the two Indy Pace Cars to come to Wa. in '93 for $24k, traded it in on a new Chev 3/4 truck in 2000 and rec'd $19k, It is still worth less than the $24k and has only 2100 miles. Bought the '70 Deuce for $29k which everybody thought was too much, sold it for less than that to have it sold a few months later for much more. I guess my point is that what ever happens will happen and it is not worth everybody getting worked up over. If there are guys on this site that can buy a car and flip it for a profit more power to them. I am in this hobby for the love of the cars and feel that if I can enjoy a car for 10 years and get my money back it has been good to me. We show and share our car at 15-20 shows a summer. We had our Z28 12 years and had hours of enjoyment and sold it at a little more than break even. I hate to see this thing become about "Show me the money"!! I would love to have a new ZL1, but I don't think I would look to make a lot of money off of it (as my past history shows). I would have to "drive it like I stole it" and just hope I could recover a portion of the cost later when I decided to part with it!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]Jim

[82z96ss]

IF you will go to the for sale section you will find there is a member that is already selling his 02 ZL1. For what he has in it, and my personal experience, sounds like he is not selling it for a profit. Here is your chance to buy one of these supercars. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img] Then when you get done having fun with it, you could either sell it to you buddy, so he could have some fun with it, or you could sell it to some sucker for a profit. What would you do? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] If you sold it for a profit than you can take your other post back now and say your sorry. Or if you sold it to your buddy for a loss so he could to have fun with it also, you could prove your point and make everyone else an as#. But if it is out of the price range now what makes one think it will be more affordable in 5 years. If 50GGG's isn't affordable what makes 40GG's more affordable [remember we are talking about a car we are only suppose to have fun in and not make a profit on]especially when you can go buy a 5 to 9 grand Z28 mod it out, put better interior and stereo for under 10 GGG's.

As far as the old ones go, these cars were out of the general publics pocket book back then [remember we are still "just having fun" and not trying to make a profit], i believe over 7000 grand in 69, what makes you think they would be in the general publics pocket book range now. These cars that keep swapping hands are not rusted out no engine no tranny hunks of metal, but already restored, most back to original form, or orginal. If there restored then lets think what it cost to make orginal again. Well not exactly sure and maybe not even as much as what some would pay but it cost lots of money nonetheless.

Last, as far as value go [here again just to have fun and not for profit]remember when you could buy several pieces of gum in a gumball machine for a penny, now it is a quarter! Same with cars, then add time and restoration cost; you think that is cheap now days. Just think taking your car to a mechanic will cost around 50 to 60 dollars just to let them tell you what is wrong with it.

Hey I don't completly disagree; most these cars probably shouldn't bring in more than a 100 GGG's which is still out of the general publics pocket pock, [you can guess what I was going to type] and most would probably like to buy a new one for that price.

Products sell by Supply and Demand, supply high demand low price falls to the floor: Z28's=high supply demand low price cheap; ZL1(69 or 02) supply low demand high price just hit the roof and trying to break through.

Is this the fault of the hobbist or a law of supply and demand?

Just wait until the supply rises and the demand is low. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Not to sound rude but we all know neither one will ever happen. The supply is set in stone, and I will always want one! There is your supply, and I am the demand, along with many others.

Nuff Said [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif[/img] Now lets all show some love in here. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

"Nuff said" ?

No way, I'm loving this one [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]