69 Nova Big Blocks

[Stefano]

Just another Random thought which I have posed prior...Were all the Yenko Sports Cars , Inc. Super Cars listed somewhere in the Companies Corporate minutes. Have the Corporate books for either Yenko Chevrolet, Inc. or Yenko Sports Cars, Inc. been found?

[sYc]

Stefano, Not for sure what you mean by corporate records. Several years ago, Martha Yenko took John Connolly to the old Yenko dealership, where all of the old records and other stuff was stored, and allowed him to remove anything he wanted. Then what was left was thrown into a dumpster. The dumpster is where WD got the folders he has. Since that time, I have purchased much of what John has, including all of the paperwork, plus numerous items used at the Canonsburg dealership, such as lamps, chairs, telephones, time clocks, file cabinet (which once again holds Yenko records), etc. I have several boxes of just paperwork, much is old tax returns, time sheets, memos, etc. Some is useful, much is just "papers". Hope this helps. ADMINISTRATOR [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

[hvychev]

Interesting post to say the least.

As a casual observer I have a few questions & statements.

Mr. Clary, If The owner of the car in question himself has said that it is not a real Yenko S/C then why do you still insist that it is?

On another note (This may have nothing to do with the current discussion) Why are Jack Douglas *, @, or & (whatever they are refered to now as.) not refered to as Yenko S/C Camaros? I mean we are going to consider a Cannonsberg Delivered Nova that had an engine swap done about a year after the original delivery date done in an ex-Yenko employes garage a real Yenko super car but not a car that was born a supercar by the GM COPO package, and striped as Yenko cars using an agreement that the two dealers had come to because it was delivered in Hinsdale? (No I can't show anybody the paperwork) [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] Whats the deal???

IMO a car that was delivered NEW with an L72, ZL1, tuned L78, converted LS6, LS7, or a BALDWIN MOTION dealer/tuner combo, etc are real supercars. Ones that are done after the fact even the next day are not. If it is not in the original paperwork as being done or paid for to be done soon after, or can be verified by a trusted party that was on hand at that time it is not! <font color="blue">It has to be done or set up prior to delivery when the car was sold new. </font color> Dont get me wrong they are still awesome, interesting cars but do not fall in the definition of a new dealer built supercar established in my head by what I have learned from this great site. Thoes may be considered "day 2" cars to the extreme with great roots. They may be a Super Car but not a Supercar by definition.

These are just opinions and not ment to down anybodys car. Sorry to rehash the whole Douglas situation. I wish that I had one myself to have this discussion about. I just think we should stick to the original rules and not assign another situation a different punctuation mark.

[sYc]

"Mr. Clary, If The owner of the car in question himself has said that it is not a real Yenko S/C then why do you still insist that it is?"

Following Brian's post, I do not remember me stating that it was a Yenko/SC, feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

As per what is a "supercar" how can I make this clear. In this hobby, supercar is a subjective word, meaning different things to different people. I think that is very clear by now. I simply used the word for the reunion I host, to help define what cars I hoped would attend. The supercar reunion is not the only show to use the word supercar, Vettefest, York, to name a few, have "Supercar displays". Their criteria for allowing cars into this reserved area is different then mine. I understand and respect this. Each of us are dealing with different agendas, budget, space (or lack of it), etc. I hope to attend both of these shows some time in the near future, if I have a car that qualifies. If, not, that is fine. It is their show and they make the rules. Because I know how much time, money and effort that goes into putting one of these events on, the last thing I would do would be to criticize them in public. Sort of like what is happening here. If this bickering continues, and people begin taking sides, to the point of boycotting this board and/or reunion (because of me), which in turn causes me to discontinue them. Who loses? All of us, as that would mean one less avenue to showcase/promote our cars. And, if we do not show/promote them, our beloved supercars will go the way of the Model T. Tom

[bkhpah]

Given the hostile direction the post about my car was going, I felt I best take a breath and walk away from saying something I would regret later. I at least think I have done nothing but help this hobby. I have been there from the start. Tom and I talked at lenght about this before most of you ever even knew Tom. We have never missed a reunion and have brought out real and interesting new cars both personal, family owned and customers owned. We have shared volumes of information at every one. The whole memorabilia area was started by Super Car Workshop and has grown into an invaluable asset to the show. We have never ever charged a fee for a Yenko VIN number. We helped start the Supercar Registry area at the new York US 30 show. By all accounts it was a great success. So if you feel that I have a reputation that is less than above board, thats fine by me Tim. As for the Nova it is a car that has an interesting history that is special for it. Tom never compared it to a classic Yenko/SC Nova. It is a Yenko Nova SS with a 427 L/88 done by none other than Warren himself. Tom feels that the car is special because of the people involved in the build up. I think he would feel the same for any other car with this distinction. I do consider Tom a close friend, but not so close he would lie about a car to please me. He never tried to put a price on the car. What it is worth is different to everyone. This would seem to be the bottom line so to speak on the whole topic. Mike you priced out the car in your post. I have been asked to sell the car many times since I bought it. I never priced the car. I happen to like it, it is a tough car. Yenko Nova SS cars are few and far between. All seem to have an interesting past. So does this car. What else needs to be said?...BKH

[hvychev]

Brian

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Tom never compared it to a classic YenkoS/C Nova

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Tom
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Ron;Now to your question. Because of where it was sold(Yenko) and who built/installed the 427(Yenko mechanic), the sYc classifies Brian's car as a 427 Yenko Nova. pg.2 pst#1

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Mr Clary I aplogize. Your comment was before Brians post not after. But what is the difference it was stated? I am not trying to start trouble. I TRULY respect you and what you have done for the hobby. Like you said the time, organization and money that you spend in organizing a show like The Supercar Reunion is unimaginable. It is for the better of the hobby to get people together and learn more about these amazing cars. I know I have for sure! I just like other board members want to understand this situation better.

Mr Clary I still want to know how you consider a car with a situation like Brians an official sYc Nova and not the Douglas Cars?

[Jeff H]

Tom, I'm not trying to take anything away from what you have created with the "SupeCar Reunion" but I think the water has gotten cloudy in what should be considered a true supercar. Maybe something that would be useful to you and everyone that visits this site is to set up a thread with a poll to let registered users vote for their definition of a supercar. Like mentioned above and in the Douglass/Yenko thread, we'll all continue to disagree to some extent. I hope nobody takes these as personal attacks, but these discussions can only lead to a better awareness of what was really going on back in the 60's and early 70's. The more information we share the more we all learn.

[Chevy454]

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It has to be done or set up prior to delivery when the car was sold new. I still want to know how you consider a car with a situation like Brians an official sYc Nova

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A couple of quick questions for ya, Frank. What do you consider Charley's '80 Motion Camaro? What is Richardson's tri-powered 396 Yenko Nova considered? What is "an official sYc Nova"?

[hvychev]

Rob, You forgot to include the last part of my question in my quote. "..and not the Douglas cars."

Rob also I stated that in no way I wanted to down anybodys car or have people think that I am doing so, but now you are asking me to give my opinions about other members cars. As far as Charlies car it is considered <font color="blue">TO ME </font color> as an awesome day 2 example of a supercar by a noted tuner of the day which makes it very special. I think that this may have been discussed in a prior thread about the differences between a Baldwin Motion delar/tuner combo car, and a Motion Performance car. As far as Richardsons tri powered 396 sYc Nova, <font color="blue">TO ME </font color> if it was either done before new car delivery or at least set up to have been done after the fact prior to new car delivery then it should be considered an official sYc Nova.

I would still love to have my Douglas question answered.

[Stefano]

The sqaure peg doesn't always fit into the round hole!

Charley's '80 Motion Camaro, and other late model Pedigreed, Tunner, Super Cars are unique. His is first and foremost a full phase III conversion (and there was "no" other prudent way to legally obtain such a Super Car, other than to have it Converted afterwards).

Hmmm, the neat car thing is stating to make some sense.

Frank,
On another note;We stopped by you and your Dad's display and the cars are looking fine (Even have a few digital pics for you). Why were you hiding by the Corvette Guys?