69 Nova Big Blocks

[Jeff H]

Not to go off the subject, but this makes me wonder about a 69 Camaro that someone from one of our local clubs has. It was apparently a 396/375 car that Reedman Chevrolet put a 454 into and sold as new. He is the original owner of the car so I would think that would make it a SuperCar. Would any dealer swapped big block car be considered a supercar even though it isn't a Yenko, Nickey, Berger, Baldwin/Motion?

[sYc]

Jeff; If the car is all you say it is, and I have no reason to doubt you, it would be most welcome at the reunion. I would love to meet the original owner, and see the paperwork. Supercar owners who still have their cars are my heros. Tom

[copo9566aa]

Tom
Only Big Block is a Supercar L72 & Zl1
Small Block Deuce is 1/2 Supercar
Corvair 1/4 Supercar
Just look at the 2002 rªunion.Many Camaro on the list
Only two Deuce and two Chevelle. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/ooo.gif[/img]

Just a remark. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[sYc]

I disagree, at least as it applies to the Supercar Reunion. To me, the engine is only part of it. I feel that a car's history is very important. Any musclecar from Nickey, or one of the other "supercar dealers", that has documentation, is special to me. We need to see the car and related paperwork. That is how we learn. Examples, Most Gibb Novas ('68) are 396 cars, special- you bet! an original Gibb sold LS-6 Chevelle, that is special and was featured 2 years ago. This year, 2 small block race cars. Fred Gibb's first race car(Z-28) Lil Hoss and a 1983 IMSA Camaro, Don Yenko's last race car. Both to me, special, a part of history. If it were not for the Yenko Stinger program, the Yenko supercars may not have become a reality. 1. he used the COPO process for the buiding of racecars, 2. had set up a dealer network to sell the cars, but Nader killed the Corvair, thus, everything was in place to market the 1967 Yenko Super Camaro. The Yenko Deuce is special, a continuation of the SYC program. The Vega and Turbo-Z, Don's efforts to not give in. All part of history. To me, that is what the Supercar movement is about, not splitting hairs, but preserving history. That is why I started the Supercar Reunion, to have a place where owners could bring their cars and not be "judged", but instead share it with us. In the five years that I have hosted the reunion, I have seen more supercars, and learned more about them, then most people will do in a life time. And I hope it continues. There is still much to learn and a lot of rare cars still out there, that most of us know nothing about.

If a car's history is not important, then our cars are no longer unique. Tom

Stefano, did your friend buy that Z-28 off of cartraderonline? Sounds like the same car. Gold/white stripes,saddle interior, etc. Sold new at Nickey chevrolet. He had original invoice, etc. Only paperwork he had for any type of conversions were for the headers. Still retained its original drivetrain. LT-1, m-22, 4:10 rear. Owned it for 20 years and bought it off of the original owner. I think it had 21k miles. Out of Aurora,IL. I had an appointment to see it. He was asking $7950 for it, but I offered him 10k. He did get a better offer. I passed. It definitely never had an L-88 in it. If it did, it would be mine. Neat car nonetheless.

[Stefano]

Dave,
I was referring to a hypothetical scenario. I do know the car which you refered to and the headers and alarm system were installed by Nickey Chevrolet after the purchase and no, a big block was never in the engine bay of that car.

Any idea who the new owner is?

[Stefano]

Chicago is a snnall city, I have a fairly good idea where that Nickey Chevrolet sold Z28 Cannaro nnay end up.

[sYc]

Stefano, for discussion purposes only, I have a question for you, and others, if they care to join in. Where does a car sold new at just a regular Chevy dealership, but later taken to Nickey, Yenko, Berger, etc. for an engine swap, fit in? What is it?
And by the way, once Baldwin went out of business, all Motion cars fit into this catagory. Tom

[sixtiesmuscle]

Well, I purchased a '69 Camaro sold new in Tn. as a Z28. After racing the car as a small block the original owner had it converted to a big block modified production car. In the early '70s, Motion was the king of modified production cars, so, he took the car to New York to get a complete conversion to an all out race car to compete in M/P. The entire conversion was covered in a couple magazines in '74. The car received a tunnel ram, twin dominator "ZLX" motor, Summers Bros axles, dual pick up & dual Holley fuel pumps, complete fiberglass front end, etc., and a Motion type paint job. So what should this car be called? A Motion Performance converted Camaro with tons of paperwork documenting all the work that was done at Motion. It does NOT make this car a '69 Phase III Baldwin Motion Camaro. Of course, it will destroy any Phase III at the strip, but hey, it's a race car. Thanks go to Copolocator.