1966 Yenko Stinger for sale

copolocater · #1 10-07-2002, 04:59 PM

Mike you hit the nail right in the head.Call it what it is Nickey/Thomas---Nickey , Baldwin Motion---Motionconverted , Yenko---Douglass Yenko

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #2 10-07-2002, 05:33 PM

Stefano;
A well written documentary, but I don't see any proof of this 'relationship'.

Mike;
Likewise, I don't see what backs up the 'undisputed truth'.

We have a copy of the sales agreement between Josh Darden, the owner of Colonial Chev., and Don Yenko. Evidently, when Yenko entered into a deal with one of his participating dealers, it was put into writing. Until I see the Douglas situation in writing, I will have difficulty believing the verbal conversations. I'm not downing Douglas and his employees etc... but we all know that it is hard to remember all this stuff from 30 years ago. Don claimed 500 Yenko Camaros in his interview in '87 remember?

I obviously have a different opinion on this, based primarily on the fact that I don't place a lot of weight on verbal recollections. In my mind, if your Motion stripes/parts, Yenko stripes/emblems, or Stinger stuff came in the mail - you have a mail order car, not the real deal [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #3 10-07-2002, 05:40 PM

Rick;
In my opinion, it goes back to the NICB info. If you buy a car that is represented as a Baldwin-Motion, and then you get the NICB info and it says Reedman Chev, do you not turn around and try to get your money back? Why? Because you would want a car that was sold new at Baldwin and sent to Motion.

In my mind, it's the same with a Yenko car. If my Yenko was sold out of Nankivell, I expect the car to be dealer txfr'd from Yenko Chev. Otherwise, without paperwork to back up a deal between Nankivell and Yenko, I don't have a Yenko car.

copolocater · #4 10-07-2002, 06:01 PM

Marlin you and I know thats not always the case.When I worked at a dealer in Ambridge Pa. at least 2 to 3 times a week I did what was known as a dealer trade.Sometimes taking a car picking up one,picking up a car paying with a check,picking up a car and delivering two to numerous dealers in Western Pa..I myself did this for that dealer for 2 years.Just from that dealer alone thats over 200 cars not counting what somebody else traded to us using their people.I know this if I bought a Yenko from Jack Douglass back in 69 or bought one awhile ago thinking it was and paid extra for one I'd Have my retained attorney putting in overtime.

**Mr70** · #5 10-07-2002, 06:33 PM

Brian H.
Now I too am curious how you will restore shors car.With or without the Yenko signature stripes/emblems/Headrests?

Copolocater
I am confused on two things you stated.Don't these statements contradict eachother?

At 10:00 AM:
"Call it what you want,Yenko,Jack Douglass Yenko,converted Yenko,it's got Dons blessing (financially) its a Yenko."

Then at 1:01 PM:
"I know this,if I bought a Yenko from Jack Douglass back in 69 or bought one a while ago thinking it was and paid extra for one,I'd have my retained attorney putting in overtime."
I am just trying to understand what is intended here.

While I was recently talking to Mr.Ed,he told me:"Jack Douglass was a good business man.He found a way to work around the Middleman,and Capitalize on it,or at the very least tried to."

copolocater · #6 10-07-2002, 06:59 PM

Because of the differance of professional opinions on this site it could be missunderstood by future investors that all Douglass copos are not Yenkos.Those who bought for an investment bought under the premise that they bought a true Yenko.Those who bought new that still might retain their original car bought the same way.I am currently trying to purchase one of the Douglass cars, and was under the same premise, as a investment.If the SYC registry (with the paperwork they have)won't register these cars as yenkos then Joe Public won't take a chance on investing either. Tom and Rob can you share any docs you might have on the Douglass deal maybe then we can finally sort this out.

**Stefano** · #7 10-07-2002, 07:30 PM

Tim,
The verified direct Order Yenkos sold from Douglass Chevrolet carry a "Yenko" Certificate from the Copo Connection, which we all know and recognize as one of the most established and leading authorities on the Subject.

Rob,
Thanks for sharing, but if that is all the estate document says, my opinion is that you are reading in between the lines. You certainly have more info than I.

Don's statement proves that Jack Douglass sold his direct order COPOs as Yenkos with Don's Knowledge.

The Yenko Statement 100% Supports Jack Douglass' statements. It does not say that he tried to market them and failed and then installed stripes after the fact. Jack agreed to the increase in marketablity from day one.

I would venture to say that if more other dealers had figured out how to order the COPOs exactly like Yenko, they certainly would have ordered Direct and I would furthur venture to say that no one else would have sold them as Yenkos to the public at Yenko premium prices.

Brian,
We are having a important discussion regarding the history of how these cars were delivered to the consumer when new.

Why would any one want to take a Canonsberg Yenko and represent it as a Douglass Yenko? Even if someone were to try and raise the marketability of their Yenko by doing so we would have the records to prove otherwise.

Remember Jack Douglass also sold Canonsberg Yenkos as well and side by side with his direct order.

**bkhpah** · #8 10-07-2002, 05:37 PM

The big difference lies right under your nose. Douglass used Yenko's ordering procedure and enhanced it with options Yenko did not use. Yenko was the father of the 9561 and 9737 COPO Camaros, Chevelles and COPO LT/1 Novas along with many other inovations and forward thinking, not Douglass. Yenko was to have the exclusive rights to the 427 Camaro. What happened that the door was opened for other dealers to lift his hard work? You might ask Jim Maddison. Byrnes Brothers was an authorized Yenko dealer and also sold their version of a stripper COPO Camaro. Most of the major players like Berger, Nickey/Thomas, Motion, Harrell etc benifited from Yenko's understanding of the GM COPO system. The Nickey/Thomas question seams easy to me. These cars were advertised that way. The Douglass/Yenko cars were not. Don't ask don't tell seems to be the word on the Douglass cars. Surely a customer would be unaware that his car had no Canonsburg history. Most might not even care, but the facts is they don't. 30+ years ago nobody would expect the COPO Camaros to be worth anything. Having a Douglass car with all the additinal gingerbread is a cool car. Why should it not be considered a Douglass car period. I would not want a car with Yenko badging if it was not from Canonsburg. If Douglass was the man with the ideas we would all be fooled into thinking our Yenko/Douglass cars are the same as a real Douglass car. Its all just opinions, and the Douglass cars are very unique, but not Yenko's. The 400 dollar figure seems way to high to me. Is that a fact? Are there people out there putting Yenko stripes on Douglass cars to enhance their value today? Has anyone taken a Yenko/SC Canonsburg car and made it into a Douglass? Curious...BKH

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