"Mystery" Chevelle LS-6 in NEW Muscle Car Review???

[redeuce]

Good to hear from you Doug! If I had the money I'd buy it. I have learned that in here it either has to be absolutely correct or what they SAY is correct. I hate to step in the poop again gentleman, but to the uninformed person that is already calling Moon parts off because Moon was a has been since the early sixties obviously hasn't gone to www.mooneyes.com or ordered from their 76 page catalog. I have one if you want to borrow it. There have been changes in the hierarchy of the company over the years, but they are alive and kicking. If you have a question, email Dean Moon at [email protected]. By the way, they have developed a new custom wheel specifically for the '69 Camaro. Boys, boys, please research a little more before stepping up to the pulpit. We just talked about how nice a day 2 car would be, and you are already getting the "correct" list going-and again knocking a person or company without fact. Hey, you regular guys, call Dean- he'll tell you what is correct or not and what was available in the sixties or seventies. That might be a more accurate way to do it. Moon made valve covers, guages, etc. in that era.

[whitetop]

Redeuce
UNIFORMED? I'm not the one uniformed. I have been into Day Two since the '70's. I have never left. I've read just about every single Hot Rod type car mag from the era and have kept notes on what was correct, when parts were introduced etc. It is my obsession-Hot Rodding from '68-'75. I'm not cutting down Moon I'm just saying by running Moon parts on your musclecarcar you are not correct for the era. That is a fact. Of course people can run what they like. Moon was not it's former self by the late '60's and was not making anything for the musclecar set at that time for the most part-that guys would be interested in. Yes I know they were still makin some fuel tanks, gauges etc. Their parts were already dated in the late '60's/'70's and guys ,just like today, wanted to run the newest/latest parts. The company was for most part stagnet throught the '70's and 1980's with 1-2 employees and producing not much of anything when a young finacier from Japan bought the company and revived it in the late '80's early '90's. The Japanese are big into America's '50's stuff and were the ones credited with reviving the company. They actually have Moon stores throughout Japan. I know they have a 76 page catalog but 99.9% of the stuff in it is geared for a 1950's style Hot Rod ('32 Ford etc) or Customs not a musclecar. The huge trend of building '50's style Hot Rods brought back the popularity of Moon in Japan and the US over the last 10 years or so-hence the 76 page catalog. Also alot of the stuff in today's catalog was not even produced back in the '50's or '60's by Moon. They are slapping the mooneyes decal on everthing even if it was never produced back then-many of the items are new parts developed over the last 5-6 years.
The '69 camaro steering wheel you are touting is a prime example.
Finally, I went to the website saw nothing but early '60's rails, Ed Roth type stuff, and a bunch of early style '50's Hot Rods and Customs.
Dave

[68l30]

I'm definatly in favor of the "Day Two" concept.I believe the term may be misleading to some.I feel a "Day Two" ride is day two 1965 or 1969 or whenever.Day two is not 2002 retro speed parts.The current companies build some great parts,much like todays cars.But they are not 60's cars or parts.I like to use the Torq Thrust wheel as a example.It is a nice wheel for 2000 but it is just that.It is different from the 1965 wheel.It is a retro piece like the new 16" or 17" wheel for todays Camaro's and Mustangs.I feel a "Day Two" car IS a restoration,a numbers match resto if you excuse the term.On a hot rod or modified car you can put on anything and everything,and more power to you.I feel what they want to achieve is another structured class or type of car much like a concourse restoration.Please feel free to build and drive whatever you want,just don't belittle those who choose a different path.We all have a few loose screws being in this hobby anyway.Just keep the screwdrivers handy and don't completly loose it........

Steve

[redeuce]

Good point on the history of Moon, White Top. As you see in my post, I alluded to the change in hierarchy. However, although they have always been "Ratfink" oriented, they made rear end covers, valve covers, tachs, guages, etc. in the sixties and seventies that ended up on MANY muscle cars. I don't give a rat's behind about how popular they are, that's a judgement call- their parts were available, so to say don't use those parts is not correct. If you posted that you didn't like Moon parts so don't use them, I wouldn't have said boo. You incorrectly listed Moon parts as already on the poop list for day 2 and that is false.

[whitetop]

Redeuce
I have nothing against Moon parts. I don't care what you guys decide to run. Just feel they do not accurately represent what guys were running on their musclecars back then. Street Rods yes however. I can accurately say I have read just about every hot rod type of publication between '68-'75. Never have I seen guys run Moon parts on their musclecars. Not to say that it did not happen sometime, somewhere.

There are two schools of thought regarding Day Two that Steve alluded to:. Some guys are happy running non correct retro parts and are just happy with that "close enough" look. The second group, which I happen to belong, will only use correct speed parts from the era. You also have to look at the usage of the particular part-how well does it represent the era. Faria tachs were avaialble back then but I would never run one. I do not feel that part is representative from the era.

"Daves List" was for the guy that wants to subscribe to the second group. Some of the blatent errors I have seen so to speak. It may also have hinted at some of my pet peeves which I admit.
Dave

[Keith Tedford]

I lived the muscle car era of the late sixties. I think Moon got buried under the full page ads of GM, Kelsey-Hayes, ET mags, Edlebrock, Gratiot and the like. In front of me is an August '69 Hot Rod magazine. Moon has one 2" X 4" ad for and aluminum spoiler. True, much of what they sold applied to hotrods and '50s cars but the huge advertising budgets of others left them behind. I know of no one in our area that carried a line of Moon parts. They definitely weren't a big player in the musclecar circles, at least in our area. It is nice to see companies like this making such a nice come back with the hotrod set. Just another fun part of the old car world.

[whitetop]

Hello Keith
Another example of this is Mallory vs. Accel. Mallory was the key player in the '50's and '60's. These were the pieces to run. Along came Echlin's line of Accel components in late '69 and cleaned Mallory's clock in the '70's because of their adverstising budget. Accel had full page color ads in what seemed like every mag, every month starting in '70. Accel's 3000 series distributor was a very high quality, competition distributor though and Accel Super Coil really got them started.
It's also should be noted that MSD started to clean Accel's clock in the mid '80's and still does so today. What goes around comes around.
dave

[JChlupsa]

You mean to say some of the old stuff I have at my dads place (couple Accel dual point/ansen sprints and old Lakewood bars) that I used to run in the 69-72 time frame are worth something again. I need to get back home and sort through what I have stored at his place.

[redeuce]

Actually, you make a pretty good point. I'm just hurt because I had Moon tach and guages in a '69 Chevelle back then. Hmmm, I also bought a bunch of stuff from Grand Automotive and look where they are now. Maybe I should rethink my suppliers. Seriously though, thanks for acknowledging the fact that there are two day 2 types emerging. One period correct and one just for grins.
Randy

[whitetop]

Jeff (Hawaiian Camaro)
I'll take them!! Do you remember the fathom blue '69 Nova SS from the Chicago area in the '71-'72 era. Car had tunnel rammed 427, chrome straight axle, Cragars, Grumpy lump hood scoop. Car was raised all around. Was on the cover of PHR in '71 or '72. I talked with the owner of the car last year on the phone-he still has it and sent me some pics. His name is Mark Vogle I believe.


Steve (68130) I know what you mean about the Mr. G Vertical Gate-have one in my Mustang. A guy near my hometown took his car to the Street Machine Nat's in Indy back in the '70's. Due to tunnel ram and 4:88 gears and slicks they took the back roads as much as possible from Wheeling W.Va. By the time he got home his 2 fingers were beat to heck and in much pain. Said the look of one of those shifter still gives him the shivers.